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To: PIF; UMCRevMom@aol.com; gleeaikin; MeganC; Chad C. Mulligan; USA-FRANCE; Reily
PIF: "The victory plan has been stated many times - but alas, not by US politicians, who are trembling in their socks..."

I've seen nothing that, even in very general terms, remotely resembles a plan for Ukrainian victory.

The Biden slogan "for as long as it takes" is just an insane prescription for defeat, imho.
There has to be a better plan than that.

The real problem is that our Democrats since 1945 have never really cared about winning wars militarily.
For Democrats, wars are simply another method for them to defeat Republicans politically, witness Vietnam as prime example.

The Democrats' existential problem today is that they are solely to blame for their debacle in Afghanistan, and therefore it's beyond necessary that they spread the blames for defeat to Republicans in Ukraine.
Meaning, for Democrats, Ukraine is not about victory or defeat on the battlefield, but rather about defeating Republicans politically, by blaming Republicans for whatever goes wrong.

At least that's my view of it.

Donald Trump's view is that he can negotiate both sides into a peace deal, but nothing I've seen suggests that either Russia or Ukraine will ever give up on Crimea, and so I don't expect a deal or end of war anytime soon.

This is the day in 1964 when Democrats first realized they could trade military defeat against the Russians for political victory over Republicans.
Now 60 years later, it's still where we are today:

136 posted on 03/09/2024 5:05:09 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

Zelenski has, along with many other Ukrainians and in “peace talks” with the Russians, defined the plan: Russia out of Ukraine and Crimea. That is the plan for victory over the invading Russians.

ONLY US politicians are stupid and weak and cannot do more that aid the Russians by withholding military assistance, while hiding behind the scam of a “border bill” which is totally unnecessary to closing the border.

Expect DJT to give the Ukrainians all the military assistance they need, as quick as it can be delivered, thus ending the Russian invasion and threat to Europe, bringing peace. There is no negotiated end to the invasion of Ukraine, DJT knows this.


137 posted on 03/09/2024 6:29:10 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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