Posted on 02/21/2024 10:47:35 AM PST by Red Badger
The current “President” would veto it.
If by the grace of God giving us ALL another Divine intervention Trump gets back into the WH he NEEDS to follow Agentina’s lead and get rid of ENTIRE OVERLAPPING departments with dug in unelected bureaucrats!! DOE is a GREAT place to start!!
Like most government projects that start with noble intentions, the DOE quickly devolved into the typical carrot and stick operation. “Here, we’ve got all this money to help you create the best learning environment possible. Oh, if you take the money you’ve got to do everything we say to do, and just the way we say.”
"The problem is going to be to get Trump and others in the GOP to not think they can “reform education” using powers of the Federal Department of Education [??? emphasis added]."
Respectfully to Trump and Massie, If they were reading FR then they would know the following. Both President Thomas Jefferson, in a State of the Union address, and Justice Joseph Story, had indicated that the states have never expressly constitutionally given the federal government the specific power to dictate policy, regulate, or tax and spend in the name of INTRAstate schooling. (Federal government abuse of 16th Amendment (direct taxes) undoubtedly facilitates unconstitutional federal taxing and spending for schooling and a lot of other unique state power issues.)
"The great mass of the articles on which impost is paid is foreign luxuries, purchased by those only who are rich enough to afford themselves the use of them. Their patriotism would certainly prefer its continuance and application to the great purposes of the public education, roads, rivers, canals, and such other objects of public improvement as it may be thought proper to add to the constitutional enumeration of federal powers [emphasis added].” —Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806." (Jefferson is indicating that Congress cannot tax and spend in the name of intrastate infrastructure imo.)
"The power to regulate manufactures is no more confided to congress, than the power to interfere with the systems of education, the poor laws, or the road laws of the states [emphasis added]." —Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 2, 1833.
"From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added]." —United States v. Butler, 1936.
In fact, so-called federal funding for intrastate schools is arguably local and state revenues that the corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress is continuously stealing from the states by means of unconstitutional federal taxes, taxes that Congress cannot reasonably justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers and a few other constitutionally enumerated expenses.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
So instead of introducing a bill, Rep. Massive could ideally exercise one-person majority power to shut down Department of Education by arguing the fed's constitutionally limited powers.
The remedy for citizens being oppressed under the boots of unconstitutionally big federal government...
Democratic and Republican Trump-supporting patriots need to support hopeful Trump 47 by immediately primarying ALL incumbent lawmakers, except for MTG, Gaetz & Company, (and others?), replacing career lawmakers with patriot lawmakers who will support Trump to not only finish drainng the swamp, but will also do the following.
70% of New York voters say Biden not fit to serve another term: poll (2.20.24)
Majority in new poll say Biden, most members of Congress don’t deserve new term: Gallup (2.2.24)
New lawmakers also need to support Trump in eliminating the unconstitutional middleman, the unconstitutionally big federal government, from "helping" the states to manage their revenues by repealing the 16th and 17th (popular voting for federal senators) Amendments.
To survive as a functioning republic ALL of the departments, agencies, commissions, etc, including the Federal Reserve have to be eliminated and the million to 2 million employees sent into the labor force. Money has to be again based directly on gold with the Treasury buying and selling gold at an unchanging price It all would cause an immediate drag on the economy but the future would brighten tremendously.
Kill the DOE and the state systems will take care of themselves. Most of the harm to local schools is directly caused by Federal money.
Upon rereading it, I agree...🙂
You must be able to read what’s left of my 90-year old mind...
Indeed! Schools, parents, et al would not have to obey one damned edict from the DoEd were it not for the amount of carrots (federal money) it ‘gives’ schools - in return for pulling their cart.
Perhaps! The state Dept of Ed’s are deeply trapped in Educrat Screwball land. Why?
1. They are almost to a man, woman & thing educrat or classroom teacher holders of various education degrees. If graduate of recent college department of education they’ve drunk deep of the nonsense and are loyal to it.
2. Heavily unionized particularly so in my state - WV. So they can bring great pressure on state legislators screaming “It’s for the children”. There are several on this site that dismiss the idea state education unions support leftist educational nonsense. They do in my state and you can trace the militancy back up to the college and university Ed departments. They can call out students to strike even trigger sympathy strikes down in the coal fields.
There is also in many states maybe all where state constitution place limits on what state legislators can do. In WV it’s specifically spelled out that state funded education is non-partisan. To keep it so the state legislature is prohibited from getting down into the educational weeds. The state Ed department says “State legislature K12 education costs this much. Pay up!” Level of scrutiny by the legislature is very limited. Keeps the ‘politics’ out don’t you know. So, what does leftist politics do it sneaks in the back door through the educrat institutions - unions & state & county Ed departments. In 2022 there was a state constitutional amendment to change that. To actually allow the legislature to examine what its buying and challenge it if necessary. It failed the state Ed Unions, media others panicked parents into defeating the amendment thus maintaining the status quo. There’s a couple of other interrelated reasons perhaps unique to rural states like WV as to why it failed. Supposedly the legislature will try again.
The states found it all to easy to be bought by the federal government
As part of abolishing the Federal Dept of Ed, federal income taxes should be reduced in such a way as to return to the people the former Dep of Ed budgeted amounts.
Assuming the US taxpayer population is 144 million that would come to $472.22. Dept Ed budget is $68 billion with roughly 4000 employees. Hopefully I did the arithmetic correctly.
People attribute way too much power to the federal Dept of Ed and completely forget about their local partners in miseducation crime their state Ed departments, state Ed boards and local teacher’s unions! I am not saying don’t end the fed Dept Ed. but its only part of the problem.
“People attribute way too much power to the federal Dept of Ed and completely forget about their local partners in miseducation crime their state Ed departments, state Ed boards and local teacher’s unions! I am not saying don’t end the fed Dept Ed. but its only part of the problem.”
I agree. Getting back to original federalism is one thing, and getting rid of the dep of ed is only one part of that. Where THAT will help is with states with strong GOP majorities trying to reform education in their states (and no longer having fed interference on that). Where it will likely make no difference is in Dim majority states that want their Leftist ed policies.
Some states like WV have state Constitutional prohibitions keeping the legislature at arms length from education. In WV the state constitution sets up the state education department as a near independent fiefdom from the state government. In 2022 there was a state Constitutional amendment proposed but it failed. The educrat establishment scared mom & pop to death about dropping that wall. So the amendment failed.
“Some states like WV have state Constitutional prohibitions keeping the legislature at arms length from education. In WV the state constitution sets up the state education department as a near independent fiefdom from the state government. In 2022 there was a state Constitutional amendment proposed but it failed. The educrat establishment scared mom & pop to death about dropping that wall. So the amendment failed.”
The local bds of education most often insure that voting for its members is only held during the elections that have the least turn out, insuring that only their own education activists dominate the selection of the bd of ed. Conservatives need to get out of their shells and get active with public education when/where there are not many private alternatives.
My long term hope is for, someday, 100% of “public” K-12 education money to go 100% to the parents of K-12 students, in the form of twice a year vouchers that they can turn in to ANY K-12 school of their chose, public, private, religious or secular. That is to make it compulsary that “public” support for EDUCATION is about the K-12 students and not about protecting or insuring the survival of any particular education institution.
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