Posted on 02/21/2024 4:39:21 AM PST by C19fan
Hundreds of Ukrainian troops may have been captured by advancing Russian units or disappeared during Ukraine’s chaotic retreat from the eastern city of Avdiivka, according to senior Western officials and soldiers fighting for Ukraine, a devastating loss that could deal a blow to already weakening morale.
The Russian capture of Avdiivka has emerged as a significant symbolic loss for Ukrainian troops, a sign of the battlefield impact of the failure of the U.S. Congress, so far, to approve more military assistance as dwindling supplies of artillery shells make it even harder to hold the line.
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LOL
Ukraine blaming the debacle on “the Congress” is throwing rocks at taxpayers.
That’ll get ‘em nowhere..............faaaasssst.
Ukraine is the military equivalent of the welfare queen. No initiative except to ask for more. How come Ukraine never built munitions factories to manufacture shells?
Ukraine should be able to produce its own basic ammo.
Ukraine can put on an agricultural export tax to raise money.
Polish farmers are very upset by imports of lower priced Ukrainian farm goods.
Losing Avdiivka has nothing to do with that Congressional bill. Most in that bill wasn’t for weaponry that could have made it into the battlefield in Azdiivka in time anyway.
Ukes lost because they are running out of soldiers and they have leadership that makes terrible errors in judgement.
The NYT only cares about getting that 61 billion dollar funding bill passed and into RAT/RINO/Zelensky hands.
Talked about here, almost in real time as it was happening
Now MSM catching up
Plus Russia still advancing
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This video describes the military situation in Ukraine on the 21st of February 2024
https://rumble.com/v4erjy8-russia-one-more-small-step-closer-to-victory.-military-summary-and-analysis.html
Ukraine might sell territory to Poland and/or Hungary.
Ukraine might sell territory to billionaires for them to create a new nation state.
“... a sign of the battlefield impact of the failure of the U.S. Congress, so far, to approve more military assistance...”
Completely fake cause and effect here. If the USA had additional shells that the Biden junta deemed available, you can be darn sure that we would have turned them over to Ukraine already under existing authorities.
Keep in mind Ukraine was going to settle this in 2022 by signing and agreement in Istanbul. Boris and the US scuttled it because they wanted this war, a proxy war, with Russia.
McCain, Graham, and other filthy US Senators had been going to Ukraine trying to get this war started for years.
I don’t think Ukraine really wanted this war bit the western countries sure did.
You know, there was a point in time where some right-thinking Kraut generals got together and decided it was necessary to put Hitler out of business. One of them even made it a suicide mission by carrying a bomb into a meeting with Hitler. Unfortunately he sat the bomb down on the wrong side of the massive leg of the oak table they were all seated at and Hitler just got his hair mussed a bit.
Just sayin'.
When the NYT admits “ hundreds”, think “ thousands”
“ two battalions” was, alone, the cost of a multiple missile strike on the AZOV 3d brigade at their deployment site ….a strike repeated on them after they retreated. No Russian love lost for the nazified 3d Brigade, reputed as the most ideological fighters for the regime, possibly sent to Avdeevka to be sacrificed because of their loyalty to the deposed Army chief Zaluzhny…or to serve as “ barrier force” to execute regulars trying to retreat or surrender.
Fwiw the Russian MoD briefed on 17 Feb a single day loss to the Ukrainians of 2600 troops, their largest single day loss of the war
The “ poorly managed retreat” was ordered by the Uke command to try to save face as their surviving units encircled by Russians broke, defied orders to hold, and ran for their lives leaving their wounded behind
The Vietnam War was the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place. But our manner of leaving it was equally wrong.
The war in Afghanistan was the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place. But our manner of leaving it was equally wrong.
God knows the war in Iraq was a wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place. But our manner of leaving (or perhaps not actually leaving) was equally wrong.
As a nation our dysfunction is all too clearly displayed in our manner of exiting wars. If you think any rookie strategist with a map can draw a line from Afghanistan to Kiev and project it on to Taiwan, then believe the strategists in Beijing have already drawn it and plan to exploit it.
We bugged out of Vietnam because the Democrats in Congress acted in a spasm of pique.
We bugged out of Afghanistan because our commander-in-chief is dysfunctional and his subordinates in charge are as ideologically conflicted and tactically obtuse as were the Democrat Congress that denied air cover in Vietnam.
Donald Trump does not endorse bugging out of Ukraine. Let that sink in. He would negotiate a “deal.” Trump’s history as president reveals that he would never negotiate out of weakness but always out of strength.
Lurching from one bug out to another, abandoning one ally after another, conducting foreign policy and waging war out of pique, makes America more vulnerable, not stronger. The question is how do we extricate ourselves from Ukraine and salvage something of national security?
That’s actually a significant disappointment for Russia. They were hoping for about 4000 POWs in the pocket.
Assuming the NY Slimes can be trusted.
There is one main thing we need to do to “salvage national security”.
It needs to be our first, second, third, fourth and fifth priority.
We have to do it right—and we must be deadly serious about it.
We must secure our border against illegal invaders.
If we don’t do that nothing else matters.
There is no “nation” to “secure”.
Every nation throughout history understood that basic fact.
It was so obvious nobody even considered a different approach...until this modern era.
It is time for the US to just stop being stupid.
I agree with everyone of your points but you have not demonstrated how those points relate to Ukraine.
It is reasonable to say that they relate because the money being spent, whether efficiently and wisely or not, to prop up Ukraine is money that we cannot afford on the eve of a looming financial crisis. Therefore, to spend money on Ukraine will topple us into bankruptcy when a new wave of refinancing looms in March.
Before we come to that conclusion, we have to ask, what part of our budget, especially that part dealing with entitlements, is Ukraine? Are we concentrating from a budget point of view on the wrong numbers? Are we crying poverty about Ukraine when our real poverty comes from entitlements?
If we are to cut the budget for Ukraine, will it not cost us more money in the long run?
I do not understand that an open border with Mexico prevents us from dealing with a border in Ukraine any more than I think that border compels us to deal with a border in Ukraine, except that the borders relate to each other in the budget.
It is imperative that we close the border with Mexico, it may or may not be reasonable for us to be concerned about Ukraine’s border. One does not relate to the other, apart from the budget, except as a political talking point.
“using its special operation forces and the elite 3rd Separate Assault Brigade to cover the retreat”
Neocon-speak for their NATO-Trained and Equipped Nazi Brigade as the original name “Azovs” brings up too much dirt on who they are.
“Prisoners of war are one of the biggest challenges to morale in any war. Ukraine has pressed Russia repeatedly to agree to exchange prisoners.”
Even more challenging when you’re shooting down planes carrying YOUR OWN POWs.
—> Ukraine might sell territory to billionaires for them to create a new nation state.
Is this not the plan, when the population is reduced sufficiently.
“Talked about here, almost in real time as it was happening
Now MSM catching up”
Oh, they knew, they always do. But they had to keep it under wraps while trying to get more US Taxpayer Money.
One thing that would be interesting to find out is just what the CIA and other agencies were telling the Republicans as I bet the Republicans are SHOCKED to see such a major battlefield defeat when they were likely led to believe that Ukraine was halfway to Moscow by now.
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