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I didn't say Mr Z was mentioned but others were. The point being is that we are choosing the political winners and losers on Ukraine's political stage, and it is not out of the realm of possibility that Mr Z was picked by us.

What I did say is that an inexperienced, not independently wealthy, young, Jew in a nation unfavorable to that, that rises to power using the US MSM, big tech and social media is very likely “our boy.” Even if we don't want to look into that.

https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance

https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/how-cia-and-nsa-created-google

What I said, is that 2014 and Maiden was the tipping point. That is when Ukraine went from being in the Russian to our sphere of influence. But in either case, it's not really an independent nation.

Today you have a US bank and asset holding company running their finances in the background (JPMC and Blackrock), some of their key leaders were picked by us, and when a US VP wants a senior Ukrainian prosecutor looking into Hunters Burisma ties fired, guess what Ukraine does: https://oversight.house.gov/timeline/ukraine-11/biden-firing-ukraine-prosecutor-clip/

Some here mention bending over for Moscow, are they any more free and independent if they bend over for us even if this is to their own detriment?