PS - "My sister says thank you so much from the Institute of Perpetual War!"
Posted on 02/02/2024 10:01:15 AM PST by TheConservator
Part 1: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/high-price-losing-ukraine
Part 2: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/high-price-losing-ukraine-part-2-%E2%80%94-military-threat-and-beyond
The post on this thread that makes the most sense.
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PS - "My sister says thank you so much from the Institute of Perpetual War!"
Everything that happened in Ukraine is a rest of our meddling in that country. We wanted this proxy war and we've gotten our asses handed to us. And, there isn't anything that can be done to change that fact.
The VAST majority of Americans don't want a hot war with Russia. It would likely setoff WW III and we'd be losing end of it. It would be Vietnam at best.
Any Republican that gives another penny to Ukraine is unfit for office.
Project Ukraine from the start has been nothing but a money laundering operation, enhancing the bank accounts of the Bidens, Soros, Larry Fink and BlackRock among other despicable, greedy bastards.
Ukraine confronts two deficits that cannot be remedied for at least one year — 1) lack of trained manpower and 2) lack of ammunition, air defense and reliable combat vehicles. Russia enjoys a clear tactical advantage on both counts.
Helmer succinctly describes Russia’s plan for the near term:
When the General Staff have been discussing with President Vladimir Putin the timing of the Russian offensive to force the Kiev regime into capitulation, it has been agreed, understood, and repeated that the strategic reserves of the Ukrainian forces should be destroyed first, together with the supply lines for the weapons and ammunition crossing the border from the US and the NATO allies.
This process, they also agreed, should take as long as required with least casualties on the Russian side, as determined by military intelligence. Also agreed and pre-conditional, there should be no repeat of the political intelligence failures of the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) which precipitated the failed special forces operation known as the Battle of Antonov (Hostomel) Airport from February 24 to April 2, 2022.
Who was the these kagans? Who is this nuand? Why do they seem to have so much over the foreign policy of our country?
“the minute the west pushed it into war, rather than sanely telling Z you cannot beat Russia in an open war.”
Speaking for everyone else my arms are still sore from pushing Russian tanks into Ukraine.
The Germans similarly got slapped in the face by the Dutch in 1940. Were they also “pushed” into war by ‘GloboHomo West’?
Putin’s Russia -is it morally superior for invading neighbors, destroying cities, killing civilians and seizing territories?
And what about the Soviets in ‘41? Were they also “GloboHomoNazis” for resisting the German invasion?
This is how absurd you Russian imperialists are.
Thanks for connecting the dots.
Well, at least senile Joe can be credited with making thousands of millionaires in the last two years- the problem is they are all Ukrainians.
The second thing you may not be aware of is how ideological the academic-sounding Institute for the Study of War is. It has neoconservative roots and is run and staffed by pretty extreme hawks. Over the years it has gotten funding from various corners of the arms industry—General Dynamics, Raytheon, lesser known defense contractors, and big companies, like General Motors, that aren’t known as defense contractors but do get Pentagon contracts.
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The president and founder of the Institute for the Study of War is Kimberly Kagan, a military historian who is married to Frederick Kagan, who is also a military historian and does work for ISW. Frederick is a well-known neoconservative, though not as well-known as his brother Robert. In the 1990s, Robert Kagan, along with Bill Kristol (who is on ISW’s board), founded the Project for a New American Century, which in the view of some observers played an important role in convincing George W. Bush to invade Iraq.
Kimberly and Frederick Kagan have cultivated close ties to the Defense Department—sometimes raising questions about whether the ties were too close.
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All of this helps explain why noted phrasemaker Mickey Kaus has called the Kagan family “the Kagan industrial complex.” Speaking of which:
Robert Kagan’s wife, Victoria Nuland, is the state department official who very publicly supported Ukraine’s 2014 Maidan Revolution—the overthrow of pro-Russia President Viktor Yanukovych, which led Russia to seize Crimea and give military support to secessionist rebels in the Donbass. Nuland also played a behind-the-scenes role in this transition of power that, according to some of her detractors, amounted to orchestrating a coup.
"Experts" will say it is not technically an empire, but money talks and BS walks: and for a long time we had most of the money, be it mostly fiat currency. We are an empire in all but name. An empire in decline. The neocons who have visions of American Greatness (but not a great America) want the empire to continue. Most Americans just want our country back.
Norway is a long term NATO member. It borders Russia.
If you think that the west did not whisper sweet nothings into that fool Z’s ear, rather than telling him the geopolitical truth about the situation, then, enjoy your foolishness. The western leaders played Z like the fool he is, fed him all sorts of lies about what would happen if Russia invaded and that they would be able to stand against them... Rather than realizing the actual geopolitical realities. Let them die in our little proxy war.
NATO et al, fed him a load of bunk that he freely and foolishly swallowed, and now where are things? An entire generation of Ukrainian men are dead, huge portions of their nation is in shambles, and they are never going to expel Russia from the territory.
So, what was gained? That’s not an advocation of Putin or Russia, that’s a statement of fact. You seem to be very foolish in thinking that geopolitics is a 2 sided coin.
This war is by far the absolute best example of an avoidable conflict I can think of in the last 50 years, of not longer. Would Russia have invaded anyway, had the situation been handled differently? Perhaps... however the failure to realize that your country cannot beat Russian in an open conflict, from the start shows the abject idiocy.
NATO and the West are not going to risk expansion of the conflict to where their nations are now having to be active participants.. Sure they will send in supplies and materials, but that alone may prolong the situation, but will not change the ultimate outcome.
Z is a fool, and he’s the king of fools. His nation is in ruins, and now, what? 2+ years later, after his nation is a pile of rubble and his young men are all dead, he’s finally willing to start true negotiations to end the conflict?
Attempting to find a solution as soon as possible, should have been the goal... You think the US is going to send its young men to die for Ukraine? France? Germany? Britain? Not a chance in hell.
JP, All of your links in reply 56, are bad.
Example:
https://freerepublic.com/press-media/staff-bios/dr-kimberly-kagan
Should be:
https://www.understandingwar.org/press-media/staff-bios/dr-kimberly-kagan
hmmm... thanks linMcHlp. Let me see if I can get a better copy.
“If Russia isn’t the aggressive problem, why did they build their country so close to our peaceful bases? /s “
LOL !
A few points.
1) Norway’s border with Russia is less than 125 miles long, and is far away from the main metropolitan areas of each country.
2) The Eastern European countries admitted to NATO after the fall of the USSR lie within the lowlands of Europe, directly in the proverbial geographical line of sight with the heartlands of Russia and Europe. (These borders are not remotely similar in terms of military and geopolitical significance as the one between Russia and Norway.)
3) The only time within the past century that Russia invaded Norway (as far as I’m aware) was during World War II...and only because Norway had been occupied by Nazi Germany since 1940.
4) The majority of wars involving Russia and Norway over the past few centuries have had them acting as allies (usually against Sweden).
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