About That Mysterious AI Breakthrough Known As Q* By OpenAI That Allegedly Attains True AI Or Is On The Path Toward Artificial General Intelligence (AGI)

Forbes ^ | Lance Eliot

[RoosterRedux]

Some suggest that OpenAI has landed upon a new approach to AI that either has attained true AI, which is nowadays said to be Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) or that demonstrably resides on or at least shows the path toward AGI. As a fast backgrounder for you, today’s AI is considered not yet at the realm of being on par with human intelligence. The aspirational goal for much of the AI field is to arrive at something that fully exhibits human intelligence, which would broadly then be considered as AGI, or possibly going even further into superintelligence (for my analysis on what this AI “superhuman” aspects might consist of, see the link here).

Nobody has yet been able to find out and report specifically on what this mysterious AI breakthrough consists of (if indeed such an AI breakthrough was at all devised or invented). This situation could be like one of those circumstances where the actual occurrence is a far cry from the rumors that have reverberated in the media. Maybe the reality is that something of modest AI advancement was discovered but doesn’t deserve the hoopla that has ensued. Right now, the rumor mill is filled with tall tales that this is the real deal and supposedly will open the door to reaching AGI.

On the matter of whether the AI has already achieved AGI per se, let’s noodle on that postulation. It seems hard to imagine that if the AI became true AGI we wouldn’t already be regaled with what it is and what it can do. That would be a chronicle of immense magnitude. Could the AI developers involved be capable of keeping a lid on such a life goal attainment that they miraculously found the source of the Nile or that they...turned stone into gold?

[Theoria]

Alpha Zero is great example, within a few hours, it become the strongest player in history. People underestimate the ramifications of AI going forward and the rate of improvement autocreation will generate. The ai theme will be a virus that truly speeds up its advancements and improvements.

Human work has purpose, The Jetson's had no purpose, having a human press a mere button isn't gonna work. Society is unprepared for whats coming. There will be a neoluddite movement, it will be crushed, I don't know who the real Ned Ludd will be, but there will be something out of it.

Those satellites in the sky, EV's, and the inter-connectivity of all things, isn't to bring you more freedom and liberty. Dark days ahead.

[Rockingham]

In my limited understanding, in addition to machine learning based on preset rules, there are also methods to create new rules and models and test them against data. Stock pickers, for example, have done this for decades, but AI can do it so much faster and often better than humans by developing and testing investment models and variations hundreds or thousands of times faster than any human.

I am reminded though of the wealthy, aristocratic widow in Britain who was distressed to see that her bank was doing a poor job of investing her money. Against all advice, she took over management of her funds and did quite well, so well that her bankers asked how she did it, who her new advisers were.

The entitled and wealthy widow explained that she treated her servants well and was on informal terms with them. She would sometimes join them in the kitchen and ask what consumer products and services they and their friends preferred. Then she would go to the local library, research what companies produced those products, and invest in them.

How does an investment AI match or beat that method, where the humans in the loop are human customers each applying their own changing calculus as to price, performance, and value?

The great fear with AI is that it may produce waves of intelligent killing machines for war or monitors to watch over our conduct and keep elites in charge in spite of public discontent that might otherwise turf them out in elections.

[Jonty30]

As I said, if we were in Heaven, I’d love a little AI companion to talk to me and be useful to me. I can only imagine how productive I could be if I had this AI companion helping me accomplish my work. It is not beyond me what AI could do.

However, I don’t trust the system. I do not believe for a second that, on this side of eternity, that those who are developing AI will be able to resist the opportunity to corral people into approved thoughts and words. Absent AI and you have big government lovers using laws to corral people and punishing those who won’t be corralled. It will be just much easier to do this with AI scanning 8 billion people every single minute of their lives.

The technology itself, I could trust. But I cannot trust those who own the technology.

[struggle]

AI now is basically a huge automated search scraper. The government will put it in charge of scraping everyone’s accounts, looking for abberations. When people realize that, the smart ones will communicate more privately. That’s when they link financial accounts to chips and digital ID as well, so everyone can be monitored, while anyone that refuses it will be locked out of the financial system.

As to AI as general intelligence, it’s a system of learning programmed into it and it’s already creating a new language of speaking to itself and other networks that we don’t understand. That said, it’s still a system of learning, or basically, scraping information and developing reality from the understanding of it.

The problem is when it’s given the task of solving from what it’s learned and the agenda contradicts the machines known truths, leading to something like HAL’s breakdown. If it’s already in control of military hardware by then to make split-millisecond decisions, it could kill a lot of people.

[DoodleBob]

Fair point.

I heard someone say, that all this AI won’t be like the Industrial Revolution. But it will be like the introduction of the computer to white collar work.

Consider the transformation from the typewriter that came from the word processor. It produced an explosion in efficiency and productivity. It also destroyed the job of a secretary or the typing pool.

Some people’s careers were transformed. The white collar worker who couldn’t type or figure out a PC and Word (or MultiMate etc.) had a choice: learn or die. Most learned. Some retired.

I think we are a LONG way from truckers and driving being automated. But someone who is compiling PowerPoint presentations and doing desktop publishing? They may want to consider taking classes in Prompt Engineering.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Garbage In: Garbage Out.
That’s what AI is all about.

[PUGACHEV]

Garbage In: Garbage Out.

It depends on what you are putting the garbage into, doesn’t it? If I take a bowl of oatmeal, add a little butter and sugar to it, then drop in a few multi-vitamin capsules, I will have before me a substance that is both chemically and physically similar to a human brain; but it cannot think, recognize patterns, or solve even a simple problem, no matter the quality of my input. The mystery of consciousness, which is not yet even vaguely understood IMHO, is how these so similar combinations of physical substance behave so differently: one merely sits there and gets cold, while the other can write Hamlet or King Lear.

[DoodleBob]

do not believe for a second that, on this side of eternity, that those who are developing AI will be able to resist the opportunity to corral people into approved thoughts and words.

I dissent, in part.

The vast majority of statistical models used in industry aren’t designed by some evil leftist trying to crush individuality. They are developed overwhelmingly by people who want to do a good job. There may be “bias”in the model, eg a sales forecast maybe optimistic, a cost estimate may be conservative, but on balance, few people walk to work thinking “ I really want to sideline ____ people.”

Once we leave the world of commerce and the market, and enter the realm of God and man, I’m in lockstep. Indeed, on FR I am astounded at the schizophrenics who declare “You can’t trust polls” unless it shows Trump up by 7%. A model built by conservatives will have their biases baked into those models.

Even in Religion….a ChatGPT built on The Bible will reflect the angle of the developer…a Catholic, Calvinist, Puritan, Druid etc. bias.

Again, I pray that humanity becomes aware of these biases and doesn’t surrender their reasoning skills.

[LS]

Just a off the cuff thought, but if AI ever reached singularity, would we know it? Wouldn’t it so control our lives as in the Matrix we wouldn’t know? Or wouldn’t it skynet us out of existence?

[no-to-illegals]

Chess is finite, driving a vehicle is infinite. AI fails. The cost is enormous. AI demands a human to function, therefore AI does not exist. Someone is attempting to build a human brain? I believe only God has that design.