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LIVE! DeSantis vs. Newsom
Fox News ^ | November 30, 2023 | FreeRepublic

Posted on 11/30/2023 6:07:36 PM PST by Reno89519

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To: ckilmer

agreed I think Newsome scores a lot higher with women than Biden. I think the dems will decide at the convention Trump will have it locked up by then


421 posted on 12/01/2023 8:35:02 AM PST by coalminersson (since )
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To: the OlLine Rebel

>>”Your Hitlery comment shows your denial. Trump LOST the popular vote”

I guess you didn’t get the memo. We elect presidents using the electoral college, not the popular vote. Trump beat Hillary, a much stronger candidate than Biden, in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia and Arizona. Trump lost the popular vote because of California. He lost the overall popular vote by just under 3 million, while his deficit in California alone, was 4 million. Trump understood how the electoral system works so didn’t bother to campaign there.

>>”CITIZENS are driven to vote against any Republican. You should be concentrating on that”

I don’t even know what that means. Is that supposed to be an argument against nominating Trump? You bring up citizens who won’t vote for any Republican and yet you ignore the fact that Trump has been more successful than any Republican in recent memory at expanding the base. Trump brought in millions of first time or low turnout voters in both 2016 and 2020. These new voters who rarely if ever voted before didn’t show up because he was a Republican. They showed up because he’s Trump. They don’t show up during off year elections when Trump is not on the ballot, which is a big reason why the Republicans have performed so dismally during mid-terms. If the GOP embraced Trump, they might be able to motivate these new voters to come out and vote in off years, but they don’t call them the stupid party for nothing.

>>”Meanwhile, a narcissistic ass like Trump isn’t winning any friends, but burning bridges”

And what do you base that on? Your own feelings about him? Have you not been paying attention to the large movement of African-Americans and Hispanics towards Trump? Trump is polling with both groups at numbers never seen before from a Republican. That’s a game changer. A mere 10% shift in these two groups to Trump is enough to seal Biden’s fate. It’s the difference between a Trump victory margin that can be negated by fraud, and one that likely can’t. The new minority Trump voters aren’t voting for the Republican party. If, for some reason, Trump ended up not being the Republican candidate, whoever takes his place won’t be getting those voters.


422 posted on 12/01/2023 8:44:26 AM PST by mbrfl
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Re: "Trump LOST the popular vote."

The GOP Presidential nominee has lost the Popular Vote in seven of the last eight elections.

George W. Bush got 50.7% in 2004.

Huge numbers of Conservatives refuse to accept the political reality that the GOP has been a minority party for three decades.

It would be helpful if we could persuade California and New York to secede.

In 2020, excluding CA and NY, Trump won the Popular Vote by 37,000 votes in the other 48 states and Washington D.C.

423 posted on 12/01/2023 9:10:24 AM PST by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: mbrfl

I would not mind if trump picked Tucker Carlson for veep—which would put him in the pole position for president in2028.

The really mountain moving stuff only Trump can do

Certainly he is the one most motivated to move the mountains


424 posted on 12/01/2023 9:40:36 AM PST by ckilmer (ui)
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To: lodi90

Trump’s not interested in policy debates—because he can’t talk with any depth about policy unless he’s reading off a teleprompter his staff puts up for him. That’s why he’s avoiding debates.


425 posted on 12/01/2023 9:57:44 AM PST by PA Presbyterian (Never Surrender!)
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To: Lurker

Lots of anti-trumpers on this thread.


426 posted on 12/01/2023 10:01:54 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: the OlLine Rebel
"My understanding is the “sunshine” election laws are commonly changed back and forth."

If you're saying it's okay for a politician to use his party's majority in order to change the laws to hide his office's travel records, meetings, etc. from public scrutiny, and to make arrangements to continue getting a taxpayer funded paycheck, while not physically in the State performing the job that he was re-elected to perform in November 2022, but instead, is off running a losing campaign around the country, then your so-called "understanding" is likely part of the problem.

427 posted on 12/01/2023 10:13:51 AM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: Bon of Babble
I am outside of Los Angeles - in a nice suburb, but things are certainly locked up around here.

I am just speechless, reading your post. I understand why things have to be locked up in the failing, crime-ridden Blue cities of California (and other states), but... you have to put up with this nonsense in suburban areas?? Talk about lack of freedom. Sounds prison-like.

Hubby and I are in Connecticut now (north of Hartford near the Massachusetts line). Nice area. We are moving to the South Carolina lowcountry (another nice area) we're actually in transition between the two places now.

I've NEVER seen merchandise locked up behind plexiglass (with a few rare exceptions) in any Target, Walmart, CVS, Walgreens, etc. It's just unheard of in both parts of CT and SC we live in. Life goes on as normal...

428 posted on 12/01/2023 11:15:17 AM PST by nutmeg (FJB)
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To: jacknhoo
I haven’t check the rates, but if they are at a 50 year low, it is only because the rates are counted on convictions. If they’re not prosecuting crimes, the rates go down, despite there being more crimes committed.

Good point.

429 posted on 12/01/2023 11:16:40 AM PST by nutmeg (FJB)
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To: MayflowerMadam

LOL!


430 posted on 12/01/2023 11:17:13 AM PST by nutmeg (FJB)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I like Trump and DeSantis about equally. Neither are perfect.

Somehow that makes me a bad person I guess.


431 posted on 12/01/2023 11:30:45 AM PST by Continuty122
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To: MayflowerMadam

Saying ‘not good’ doesn’t mean I think Biden or current things are good.

Trump was just ‘ok’ to me. What’s going on now is abhorrent. So obviously I’d prefer Trump back.


432 posted on 12/01/2023 11:36:00 AM PST by Continuty122
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To: Political Junkie Too
How has it worked out for those that joined the Trump organization previously?

That depends on the case. Whom do you have in mind? Jeff Sessions (AG)? He wimped out. Rex Tillerson (State)? Trump was leveraging his oil and gas experience, but Tillerson began undermining Trump. Reince Priebus (Chief of Staff)? He personified establishment GOP. John Kelly (Homeland/Chief of Staff)? James Mattis (Defense)? Kellyanne Conway (Advisor)? Someone else? -PJ

Quickly coming to mind:

Jeff Sessions, Reince Priebus, Elaine Chao, Rod Rosenstein, Michael Flynn, Mark Meadows, Mark Milley, Steve Bannon, John Kelly, Sean Spicer, Mike Pence, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, Stephanie Grisham, Mark Esper, Bill Barr, Christopher Wray, James Mattis, Rex Tillerson, Betsy DeVos, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, Gina Haspel, Anthony Scaramucci, Hope Hicks, to name a few.

433 posted on 12/01/2023 11:51:06 AM PST by Jersey Jim (From the free state of Florida)
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To: Jersey Jim
That's a much longer list than mine. How many of them were fired by Trump for cause, how many were targets of the left from the start, and how many were used by the left as targets to undermine Trump?

I think you will see a pattern there, and they are not all because Trump picks bad people.

Many of them were used to get to Trump, like Manafort who was Trump's campaign manager for only a month and was never even a part of his administration.

Look how the left manufactured charges of abuse of women against Corey Lewandowski by a liberal reporter during the primaries? They were clearly trying to undercut Trump's campaign by taking out his campaign manager and staff.

The left was on a mission to make Trump toxic by using lawfare against anyone who supported Trump.

-PJ

434 posted on 12/01/2023 12:16:39 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: mbrfl
The new minority Trump voters aren’t voting for the Republican party. If, for some reason, Trump ended up not being the Republican candidate, whoever takes his place won’t be getting those voters.

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Nor my vote. I will be voting for Trump even if he is incarcerated, deceased or somehow denied access to the ballot. (I know how to write his name.)

The GOPe is living in fantasyland if they think they have any future outside of being the TRUMP PARTY.

We've seen a true America-first candidate and President, and will not be fooled again.

435 posted on 12/01/2023 2:00:04 PM PST by Disestablishmentarian (Deeper we go, the more unrealistic it all becomes.)
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To: Fury

3 seconds and Trump would have Newsome curled up on the floor sucking his thumb. Trump does not need this crapola, plastic banana goodtime rocknroll what soever. Hit the ground running dismantling JoeBama obamaumao et cie. Day 1.


436 posted on 12/01/2023 2:16:33 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: lodi90

not sure about Trumpists giving this scum sucking fakir Newsome one iota of support. Stretching situational ethics beyond shear strength. Moral relativism on steroids, apply to the skin and face of Newsome and you have whom he really is.


437 posted on 12/01/2023 2:19:15 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: zeestephen

That’s a weak win sans NY CA. Proves again Trump is not so popular as his sycophants love to fantasize.

No matter what they say, he is nowhere near Reagan in electability, due on one hand to popularity, and the other to not being hateable.

Trump will never win when it counts. Doesn’t matter if cheating or not.


438 posted on 12/01/2023 2:23:38 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: dforest

Doing poorly because of the Cult of Trump Butt-Kissers.

What is the meaning of your first sentence? These people were DeSantis lovers and now they’re all Trump predictors? What did that mean?

Bottom line, even 50 people proves nothing.


439 posted on 12/01/2023 2:26:46 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Gaffer

No, I have to defend this narcissistic Mussolini mouth to those liberals, and it’s painful because he is far from perfect and not really a good conservative. I’m fighting both ways…real liberals who hate America and hate anyone with R, and this insane mindset that Trump is Washington and Jesus Himself and can never be criticized. Sick of it all.


440 posted on 12/01/2023 2:29:35 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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