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EXCLUSIVE: Chinese scientists find a NEW bat coronavirus linked to pangolins that has same freak mutation as Covid - and some experts say it shoots down the lab leak theory
Daily Mail ^ | 11-25-23 | ALEXA LARDIERI

Posted on 11/26/2023 7:17:08 AM PST by dynachrome

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To: Jeff Chandler
My point is one cannot rely on a “consensus” of scientists when the consequence of bucking The Narrative is having your life destroyed.

When tens of thousands of scientists and research-trained physicians independently examine the data and come to the same conclusions, I'm going to accept what they say. When some "maverick" starts spouting the scientists' own data and conclusions as "proof" of something the scientists never said, I'm going to dismiss him/her as a kook.

The thing about scientific consensus is that it is formed as a result of the study of physical processes. The consensus is that mixing vinegar and baking soda will cause the rapid production of foam. This is because the production of foam is an observable physical process which exists regardless of anyone's opinion. Science is not advanced by a bunch of people wearing white coats arguing about what they think something should be like; it is advanced by observing the physical world.

81 posted on 11/26/2023 10:02:18 AM PST by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: dynachrome

Note to the Daily Mail: Nice try.


82 posted on 11/26/2023 10:03:17 AM PST by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: mewzilla

Note there’s only one comment allowed at the moment.

And it’s a weird one.

Is something else going on here...


83 posted on 11/26/2023 10:04:33 AM PST by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: gibsonguy

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84 posted on 11/26/2023 10:06:00 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍!)
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To: dynachrome
"Researchers in China have found another bat coronavirus that possesses a furin cleavage site — the part that made Covid-19 so good at infecting people."

Does this mean that they've finally been able to infect a bat with covid-19?
85 posted on 11/26/2023 10:06:34 AM PST by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: dynachrome

Lab leak theory? It’s a “theory” is it?


86 posted on 11/26/2023 10:08:13 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: dynachrome

nice try commies.


87 posted on 11/26/2023 10:14:12 AM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: dynachrome

Yea sure let’s trust the Chinese. I mean they didn’t close Wuhan province during an outbreak and put people on planes to Italy and the US. They are reliable, they weren’t caught smuggling out biological samples, or with bio labs in the US.

Yea sure it’s a new virus that proves them innocent….yea that’s the ticket


88 posted on 11/26/2023 10:17:28 AM PST by Pete Dovgan
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To: exDemMom
Your straw man is using the most extreme suspicions to paint the vast majority of Freepers who do not trust the "scientific" authorities as kooks.

I myself can amend my own statement to remove any extremes which may have tainted it.

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Here is what many rational people think:

Chinese scientists, in complicity with the U.S., created a killer virus of which they, in their incompetence, lost control. An outbreak of a novel Coronavirus occurred in the same city as a U.S. funded Chinese biolab which coincidentally indulged in experimentation with deadly viruses.

The entire world economy was shattered as all the perfectly healthy people were quarantined. Millions of lives were shattered as family businesses were destroyed.

Promising therapeutics were quashed in the interest of emergency FDA approval of a novel gene therapy which was rushed into distribution at Warp Speed, bypassing the usual testing safeguards. As a result, hundreds of thousands of people, instead of being treated with the therapeutics, were intubated and died. Alone. Their loved ones weren’t even allowed to hold funerals.

Sane, intelligent people who wished to analyze the risk/benefit ratio of the novel therapy vs Covid 19, were ridiculed and had their lives cancelled.

The Democrats seized upon the opportunity and eliminated voting integrity in the name of safety.

89 posted on 11/26/2023 10:18:40 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: dynachrome; anyone

The new report claiming “evidence” that natural Pangolin infecting viruses with furin cleavage sites refuting lab leak theory is produced by Wuhan labs in conjunction with the CCP ARMY:

https://x.com/DrLiMengYAN1/status/1728550032109158445?s=20


90 posted on 11/26/2023 10:20:56 AM PST by Phoenix8
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To: Phoenix8

Cheese and Rice. The corruption in this Banana Republic is criminal.


91 posted on 11/26/2023 10:22:31 AM PST by gathersnomoss (End This Attack On Justice.)
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To: dynachrome
Quite a stretch - this conflates the origin of the virus with the origin of the epidemic. It does, perhaps (I'll wait for peer review here) give an alternate theory of the origin of the virus itself, which is interesting but rather secondary at this point - where and how the virus mutated to its current form is only important if you're accusing that lab of creating it, which is going to take a whole lot more study to determine and likely never will be known. I am still agnostic but doubtful as to whether the thing was engineered - the early and sensational reports from India that fragments of HIV were found in the genome have not been replicated after numerous efforts - but it really doesn't matter much. If you're studying a virus - they were - and it gets out of that lab and spreads from there, then that's the origin of the epidemic. It didn't just magically pop up. All IMHO, of course.
92 posted on 11/26/2023 10:25:47 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: null and void

You’ve got a point.


93 posted on 11/26/2023 10:25:59 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Leaning Right

Or 1.99999999999999.....


94 posted on 11/26/2023 10:29:43 AM PST by curious7
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To: exDemMom

Dear Molecular biology expert.

The key to releasing a biological weapon is to make sure that the restriction endonuclease cleavage sites aren’t easily visualized so it’s hard to trace. When it comes to this kind of work, the government is light years ahead of what you know, or think you know about cleavage sites.

The give always are really easy to spot that it was man made: 1) The Chinese did nothing to stop the spread internationally. 2) The NIH was funding research in China, in a lab it paid to build with US tax dollars, enhancing this virus, even though illegal to do so in US. 3) The CIA and media told everyone it came from bat soup…….they didn’t sell the carrier bat in the food market because it lives 1000km away. 4) The CIA paid scientists to lie about the origins of COVID-19, after the US government put a research team together, and say it was natural in origin. 5) The highest paid government employee lied about the Wuhan lab, the funding, and its connection to the same research in North Carolina which was banned.

Two obvious things, you don’t pay scientists to lie unless the truth is uncomfortable and you don’t risk worldwide murder and sanctions by exporting infected people unless you have an agenda.


95 posted on 11/26/2023 10:30:10 AM PST by Pete Dovgan
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To: Ann Archy

I wish I didn’t.


96 posted on 11/26/2023 10:30:31 AM PST by null and void (If you support monsters you will die in the cross fire.)
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To: Billthedrill
doubtful as to whether the thing was engineered . . . If you're studying a virus - they were - and it gets out of that lab and spreads from there, then that's the origin of the epidemic.

Yep.

97 posted on 11/26/2023 10:34:13 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: exDemMom; Bikkuri; ransomnote; bitt; Jane Long; george76; fireman15; SeekAndFind

Hey Dingbat, explain the insertion of four amino acid right at the exact spot.

Then explain why the codons involved in COVID-1984, are those most often seem in humans,in what is as supposed to be a bat virus.

Now explain why this is supposed to be presumed natural, when two Nobel Prize winning virologists said that that’s what made them think it was man-made. Remember when you airily told another poster that Luc Montaigner never won a Nobel? Someone must’ve corrected you, since you backtracked and started calling him a kook.

Were you on a first name basis with him too before he died, after working in his lab for a few weeks, like Malone?

...And you’ll also have to explain why, a *year* after the Nature article more or less commissioned by Peter Daszak to “prove” Covid-1984 was natural, Ralph Baric wrote an editorial in Science, saying that there should be a formal investigation whether Covid-1984 was man-made or not.

Then you have the “bat lady” in China talking explicitly about modifications to the S1 spike protein to see how they could improve its binding; and Daszak’s grant proposal for EcoHealthAlliance.

Two Nobel virologists and the two top groups in the world on gain of function, saying artificial creation of THIS strain, is likely.

That makes it a plausible, forever.
And no longer even the slightest loophole to use the word kook.

And what do you know, there’s a Chinese lab doing this crap in the very city the outbreak happens.

$hot $hill $h!t is transparent.

You should be banned.

IBTZ


98 posted on 11/26/2023 10:39:00 AM PST by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: rktman

Weight was always an issue with the Paul’s. Sheesh a 10 pound tele would be like bricks with a strap on them. Let me know how you like the amp. Just picked up a line 6 practice amp at the local pawn shop for $100. Sure miss that 1967 Fender deluxe reverb l let slip away.


99 posted on 11/26/2023 10:41:19 AM PST by gibsonguy
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To: dynachrome

DON’T look HERE, look over THERE at the new latest goofball theory.


100 posted on 11/26/2023 10:44:54 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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