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To: conservative98
I don't believe Chauvin was some bloodthirsty klansman. He was just another incompetent LEO who was too big for his britches. The result was a death while in custody.

My review and commentary from LEOs etc on FR was that Chauvin didn't apply the move correctly. Further his demeanor and attitude on tape speaks volumes to his character.

A competent cop, especially one who was in control of his emotions, would have neutralized Floyd - drugged up etc - without the theatrics. It happens daily in America, with competent LEOs dealing with drugged out citizens and people with cameras watching and filming. I suspect PLENTY of addicts die in custody without accompanying riots and destruction of property, because the cops Do Their Jobs.

While it's clear to me that Chauvin was guilty of manslaughter, I don't think he could get a fair trial in MN. Many of the charges were basically a dog piling. Indeed, Attorney General Ellison's amended charge (to include unintentional second-degree murder under the felony murder doctrine, alleging that Chauvin killed Floyd in the course of committing assault in the third degree) is strained at best, if not overtly political.

6 posted on 11/14/2023 7:54:51 PM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: DoodleBob

Eight minutes with his knee on Floyd’s neck too much overkill.


8 posted on 11/14/2023 7:56:02 PM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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To: DoodleBob
While it's clear to me that Chauvin was guilty of manslaughter,...

How is this clear to you? The facts I see make it clear to me that George Floyd died of a drug overdose and Derick Chauvin did not kill him.

What exactly did Chauvin do that caused Floyd's death?

18 posted on 11/14/2023 8:16:37 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleBob

Willful ignorance is not a virtue.

I (66 at the time, and 20 years older, with a scrawny neck) subjected myself to the technique on a hardwood floor. The ‘cop’ having a knee directly on my neck. In viewing photos, the position of the cop’s feet and knees, I noticed his 160some pounds were spread on 4 points (and 5 when including one of his hands). He likely never had more than 60 or 70 pounds on the back of the man’s neck.

I confirmed that the technique doesn’t seriously interfere with breathing. Throat was not pinched, and the abdomen, (where the diaphram is) was not compressed. I feel confident that I could have laid there for a half hour with no danger of dying.

Some ribs were slightly sore the next day. But that’s it. My risk was aggravating a few discs that have already been through football hits, and spills off of horses and motorcycles. But the next day my neck didn’t seem irritated from it.

It was months later I realized that the cop didn’t always have his knee directly on the neck, but some of the time it was on his upper back/left shoulder blade. So in trying that out I found it to be a little less uncomfortable than the knee directly on the neck.

But then, I don’t do illegal drugs (and rarely take so much as an aspirin).


29 posted on 11/14/2023 9:13:09 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: DoodleBob

I think you are full of used food.

IIRC, there is a rulebook by which Minnesota cops are supposed to operate. At the time this occurred, placing a knee on the neck in a non-fatal way was in the rule book.

Suggest you do some research about this.


41 posted on 11/15/2023 2:13:30 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: DoodleBob

“My review and commentary from LEOs etc on FR was that Chauvin didn’t apply the move correctly.”

Yet, there is no scientific evidence that the cop contributed in any way to the death of Saint Floyd. Maybe you shouldn’t believe everything you read on the Internet.


49 posted on 11/15/2023 4:15:31 AM PST by CodeToad (Rule#1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: DoodleBob

“My review and commentary from LEOs etc on FR was that Chauvin didn’t apply the move correctly.”

Yet, there is no scientific evidence that the cop contributed in any way to the death of Saint Floyd. Maybe you shouldn’t believe everything you read on the Internet.


50 posted on 11/15/2023 4:15:31 AM PST by CodeToad (Rule#1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: DoodleBob

IMO-—IF GEORGE was left alone in the middle o the street-—he still would have died from the fentanyl he jammed down his throat so he wound’t get caught in possession.


65 posted on 11/15/2023 11:11:07 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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