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U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say
Nbc ^

Posted on 11/04/2023 6:39:52 AM PDT by janetjanet998

WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.

The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.


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To: OKSooner

I can’t believe the number of generals who are in violation of the U.C.M.J. by their attempts to bring down President Trump while in office and then really spilling their guts to bring down citizen Trump. All those bass turds should be locked up at Fort Leavenworth.


61 posted on 11/04/2023 10:42:25 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ('Build Back Better' is a Bidenskyyyyyyism for 'we gotta get rid of all dem white peoples'.)
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To: DesertRhino

“I did the math. See post #55”

LOL.


62 posted on 11/04/2023 10:48:27 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: Sacajaweau
But “Z” is obsessed with killing any and all Russians in Ukraine

Zelensky is obsessed with sending Ukrainian Christians to their death.

63 posted on 11/04/2023 10:52:55 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Yardstick

I agree that Ukraine will have to cede the two largely Russian Eastern provinces plus a buffer to keep their artillery shelves out of range as well as some other territory they captured. Ukraine should have taken the deal in April 2002 that they negotiated and that was upset by Boris Johnson and Biden opting for a proxy war. I really think, though, the small minded Biden wanted the war with Russia as a contrast politically to Trump who the Dems had painted as a Russian puppet for the past 4 years


64 posted on 11/04/2023 11:08:01 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: chuckee

Meant the deal in April 2022 not 2002


65 posted on 11/04/2023 11:09:28 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: janetjanet998

Yesterday’s war.

On to the cauldron that is the Middle East.


66 posted on 11/04/2023 11:13:18 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BobL
Ask the British and Germans, it was their tanks.

Another lie.

But I do appreciate your candor in not claiming that my pointing out your lies constitutes engaging in personal abuse.

And yet another non-substantive answer.

67 posted on 11/04/2023 11:23:21 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Pilsner

Whatever, and I do understand that things are tough for your bunch, now that the Neocon War in Ukraine is finally winding down.


68 posted on 11/04/2023 11:25:31 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: T.B. Yoits

And that, too.


69 posted on 11/04/2023 11:27:48 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: BobL
One of the main reasons that I was against this war from the start was that we didn’t do jack to prepare for it.

Yes. I always wondered about the long-term plan to surround and control Russia with NATO. And while I was ambivalent about Putin and Russia prior, the Trump "Dossier" and related 4 year deep-state propaganda and coup scheme showed me the level of unhinged neurosis and insanity our "leaders" in DC could reach about Russia.

then there was the blind arrogance of "we'll just reach into our standard bag of tricks - sanctions, SWIFT control, MSM propaganda, weapons for Ukraine to throw themselves at the Russian brick wall, and it will all come out as we want."

These people are failing at all levels - and they will drag down the United States with them.

70 posted on 11/04/2023 12:38:44 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: DesertRhino
Our own Army still operates 6000 M-113s

Yeah. And how many US Army infantry units are equipped with M1113s as armored personnel carriers in 2023? None.

How many US Army infantry units are equipped with M1113A1s as armored personnel carriers in 2023? None.

How many US Army infantry units are equipped with M1113A2s as armored personnel carrier in 2023? None.

How many US Army infantry units are equipped with M1113A3s as armored personnel carriers in 2023? I do not know the answer to that. But I suspect the answer is none.

Are there lots of M1113A2s and M1113A3s on the Army's books? Sure. But they are mortar carriers, command posts, cargo carriers, repair and recovery vehicles, or moving dismounts for armored units, and the like. And they have been upgraded significantly since the M113. And US Army infantry units aren't sending infantry squads into combat in them.

But go ahead, watch the video, and then tell post to your fellow Freepers how is demonstrates Russia's strength.

71 posted on 11/04/2023 1:58:46 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: DesertRhino
And then we need to talk about the B-52. You know, as in 1952!

Do talk. Tell me, just how many radio tubes are in the B-52s flying today. What rank is the guy, err, airman, who mans the .50 machine guns in the tail?

Everything in a B-52, except portions of the frame, has been replaced, often many times over.

72 posted on 11/04/2023 2:05:10 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: DesertRhino

You may be on to something with the numerology. You executed it badly. And should not have combined it with an attempt at a substantive answer. But it at least shows a spark of imagination, and stands in contrast to the paint-by-numbers hackery of your fellow Putin [REDACTED].


73 posted on 11/04/2023 2:10:23 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: DesertRhino

“Turns out what was invincible was a US Cold War era Armored division like we used in Desert Storm.”


I’m starting to doubt that was the case even at the time. Maybe against Saddam’s worn out military. Against the Russians in the 1980’s, who knows.

Compare the firing sequences of these two vehicles and tell me which is from “The Greatest Military Power the World Has Ever Known” (TM)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/f58XCQ323DI7/

For a 2S1 rapid fire. It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yfZrbSaVB0


74 posted on 11/04/2023 3:32:48 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

No, it really was a thing back then. A well trained, honed and disciplined machine. It was a thing to behold. America’s last war with Battleships, F-4s, A-6Es and Bob Hope.

Today is a bare shadow of those days.


75 posted on 11/04/2023 3:36:02 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Pilsner

Sorry sport... I already dropped the mic. You lost clown.


76 posted on 11/04/2023 3:37:03 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: DesertRhino; All

Yes, obviously there has been huge deterioration in training, standards, capability, readiness, leadership etc.

But I was shocked at the circus inside a Paladin vs the Russian machine.

The Paladin looks like some kind of 19th century re-enactors.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/f58XCQ323DI7/

For a Peer war 60-80 percent of casualties is from land based artillery. (Ukraine is estimated at 80 %).

So the mobile artillery is your single most important weapons system, since it is more casualties than all other weapons combined.

And the Paladin was a joke compared to a 2S1. (or many other Western vehicles)


77 posted on 11/04/2023 3:42:05 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: BobL
Even today, we’ve hardly budged to backfill our military, much less catch up for the past 30 years.

The other shift is the shift from corrupt arms contractors to utterly corrupt logistics contractors. Love or hate Northrop or General Dynamics or Lockheed Martin or Raytheon, but at least they make hardware. One of the largest defense contrators is now Cheney's old company Haliburton and its KBR subsidiary. They don't make weapons. For a price they provide housing, etc. Trouble with rockets and airplanes is that even the F35 and Osprey had to fly sort of, and that's hard. With logistics the grift is a lot easier.

78 posted on 11/05/2023 9:50:43 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

So many of our weapons depend on satellites.

When WWIII comes, the first things to go will be the satellites, then what?


79 posted on 11/05/2023 9:51:40 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Do we even make tin can and string any more?


80 posted on 11/05/2023 9:55:40 AM PST by AndyJackson
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