Posted on 11/04/2023 6:39:52 AM PDT by janetjanet998
WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.
The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.
I can’t believe the number of generals who are in violation of the U.C.M.J. by their attempts to bring down President Trump while in office and then really spilling their guts to bring down citizen Trump. All those bass turds should be locked up at Fort Leavenworth.
“I did the math. See post #55”
LOL.
Zelensky is obsessed with sending Ukrainian Christians to their death.
I agree that Ukraine will have to cede the two largely Russian Eastern provinces plus a buffer to keep their artillery shelves out of range as well as some other territory they captured. Ukraine should have taken the deal in April 2002 that they negotiated and that was upset by Boris Johnson and Biden opting for a proxy war. I really think, though, the small minded Biden wanted the war with Russia as a contrast politically to Trump who the Dems had painted as a Russian puppet for the past 4 years
Meant the deal in April 2022 not 2002
Yesterday’s war.
On to the cauldron that is the Middle East.
Another lie.
But I do appreciate your candor in not claiming that my pointing out your lies constitutes engaging in personal abuse.
And yet another non-substantive answer.
Whatever, and I do understand that things are tough for your bunch, now that the Neocon War in Ukraine is finally winding down.
And that, too.
Yes. I always wondered about the long-term plan to surround and control Russia with NATO. And while I was ambivalent about Putin and Russia prior, the Trump "Dossier" and related 4 year deep-state propaganda and coup scheme showed me the level of unhinged neurosis and insanity our "leaders" in DC could reach about Russia.
then there was the blind arrogance of "we'll just reach into our standard bag of tricks - sanctions, SWIFT control, MSM propaganda, weapons for Ukraine to throw themselves at the Russian brick wall, and it will all come out as we want."
These people are failing at all levels - and they will drag down the United States with them.
Yeah. And how many US Army infantry units are equipped with M1113s as armored personnel carriers in 2023? None.
How many US Army infantry units are equipped with M1113A1s as armored personnel carriers in 2023? None.
How many US Army infantry units are equipped with M1113A2s as armored personnel carrier in 2023? None.
How many US Army infantry units are equipped with M1113A3s as armored personnel carriers in 2023? I do not know the answer to that. But I suspect the answer is none.
Are there lots of M1113A2s and M1113A3s on the Army's books? Sure. But they are mortar carriers, command posts, cargo carriers, repair and recovery vehicles, or moving dismounts for armored units, and the like. And they have been upgraded significantly since the M113. And US Army infantry units aren't sending infantry squads into combat in them.
But go ahead, watch the video, and then tell post to your fellow Freepers how is demonstrates Russia's strength.
Do talk. Tell me, just how many radio tubes are in the B-52s flying today. What rank is the guy, err, airman, who mans the .50 machine guns in the tail?
Everything in a B-52, except portions of the frame, has been replaced, often many times over.
You may be on to something with the numerology. You executed it badly. And should not have combined it with an attempt at a substantive answer. But it at least shows a spark of imagination, and stands in contrast to the paint-by-numbers hackery of your fellow Putin [REDACTED].
“Turns out what was invincible was a US Cold War era Armored division like we used in Desert Storm.”
I’m starting to doubt that was the case even at the time. Maybe against Saddam’s worn out military. Against the Russians in the 1980’s, who knows.
Compare the firing sequences of these two vehicles and tell me which is from “The Greatest Military Power the World Has Ever Known” (TM)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/f58XCQ323DI7/
For a 2S1 rapid fire. It looks like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yfZrbSaVB0
No, it really was a thing back then. A well trained, honed and disciplined machine. It was a thing to behold. America’s last war with Battleships, F-4s, A-6Es and Bob Hope.
Today is a bare shadow of those days.
Sorry sport... I already dropped the mic. You lost clown.
Yes, obviously there has been huge deterioration in training, standards, capability, readiness, leadership etc.
But I was shocked at the circus inside a Paladin vs the Russian machine.
The Paladin looks like some kind of 19th century re-enactors.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/f58XCQ323DI7/
For a Peer war 60-80 percent of casualties is from land based artillery. (Ukraine is estimated at 80 %).
So the mobile artillery is your single most important weapons system, since it is more casualties than all other weapons combined.
And the Paladin was a joke compared to a 2S1. (or many other Western vehicles)
The other shift is the shift from corrupt arms contractors to utterly corrupt logistics contractors. Love or hate Northrop or General Dynamics or Lockheed Martin or Raytheon, but at least they make hardware. One of the largest defense contrators is now Cheney's old company Haliburton and its KBR subsidiary. They don't make weapons. For a price they provide housing, etc. Trouble with rockets and airplanes is that even the F35 and Osprey had to fly sort of, and that's hard. With logistics the grift is a lot easier.
So many of our weapons depend on satellites.
When WWIII comes, the first things to go will be the satellites, then what?
Do we even make tin can and string any more?
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