Yeah, "evidence" like this.
Get rekt, troll.
Posted on 10/25/2023 9:36:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Remember when Sen. Rand Paul accused Dr. Anthony Fauci of funding China’s Wuhan virus lab?
Fauci replied, “Sen. Paul, you do not know what you’re talking about.”
The media loved it. Vanity Fair smirked, “Fauci Once Again Forced to Basically Call Rand Paul a Sniveling Moron.”
But now the magazine has changed its tune, admitting, “In Major Shift, NIH Admits Funding Risky Virus Research in Wuhan … Paul might have been onto something.”
Then what about question two: Did COVID-19 occur because of a leak from that lab?
When Paul confronted Fauci, saying, “The evidence is pointing that it came from the lab!” Fauci replied, “I totally resent the lie that you are now propagating.”
Was Paul lying? What’s the truth?
The media told us COVID came from an animal, possibly a bat.
But in my new video, Paul points out there were “reports of 80,000 animals being tested. No animals with it.”
Now he’s released a book, “Deception: The Great Covid Cover-Up,” that charges Fauci and others with funding dangerous research and then covering it up.
“Three people in the Wuhan lab got sick with a virus of unknown origin in November of 2019,” says Paul. The Wuhan lab is 1,000 kilometers away from where bats live.
Today the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Energy and others agree with Rand Paul. They believe COVID most likely came from a lab.
I ask Paul, “COVID came from evil Chinese scientists, in a lab, funded by America?”
“America funded it,” he replies, “maybe not done with evil intentions. It was done with the misguided notion that ‘gain of function’ research was safe.”
Gain of function research includes making viruses stronger.
The purpose is to anticipate what might happen in nature and come up with vaccines in advance. So I push back at Paul, “They’re trying to find ways to stop diseases!”
He replies, “Many scientists have now looked at this and said, ‘We’ve been doing this gain of function research for quite a while.’ The likelihood that you create something that creates a vaccine that’s going to help anybody is pretty slim to none.”
Paul points out that Fauci supported “gain of function” research.
“He said in 2012, even if a pandemic occurs … the knowledge is worth it.” Fauci did write: “The benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks.”
Paul answers: “Well, that’s a judgment call. There’s probably 16 million families around the world who might disagree with that.”
Fauci and the National Institutes of Health didn’t give money directly to the Chinese lab. They gave it to a nonprofit, EcoHealth Alliance. The group works to protect people from infectious diseases.
“They were able to accumulate maybe over $100 million in U.S. taxpayer dollars, and a lot of it was funneled to Wuhan,” says Paul.
EcoHealth Alliance is run by zoologist Peter Daszak. Before the pandemic, Daszak bragged about combining coronaviruses in Wuhan.
Once COVID broke out, Daszak became less eager to talk about these experiments. He won’t talk to me.
“Peter Daszak has refused to reveal his communications with the Wuhan lab,” complains Paul. “I do think that ultimately there is a great deal of culpability on his part … They squelched all dissent and said, ‘You’re a conspiracy theorist if you’re saying this (came from a lab),’ but they didn’t reveal that they had a monetary self-incentive to cover this up,” says Paul.
“The media is weirdly un-curious about this,” I say to Paul.
“We have a disease that killed maybe 16 million people,” Paul responds. “And they’re not curious as to how we got it?”
Also, Our NIH still funds gain of function research, Paul says.
“This is a risk to civilization. We could wind up with a virus … that leaks out of a lab and kills half of the planet,” Paul warns.
Paul’s book reveals much more about Fauci and EcoHealth Alliance. I will cover more of that in this column in a few weeks.
Every Tuesday at JohnStossel.com, Stossel posts a new video about the battle between government and freedom. He is the author of “Give Me a Break: How I Exposed Hucksters, Cheats, and Scam Artists and Became the Scourge of the Liberal Media.”
The dead Covid patients have been buried or cremated--isn't that what usually happens to dead people?
I do recall that we were on a trajectory to contain the pandemic until the various leftist riots became superspreading events that caused new cases to skyrocket. Since I've kept a spreadsheet of case and death data for the last three and a half years, I can even make pretty graphs showing the decrease in cases until the riots started happening.
But none of this has anything to do with the six foot guideline that was determined based on research going back to at least 1925. Even today, the physical mechanisms of airborne transmission of pathogens are an important area of research. Entire lab facilities are dedicated to that kind of research.
It appears that you are trying to deflect from the fact that you cannot provide a specific reference to support the claim that the six foot rule was "admitted" to be bogus.
I suppose you imagine that a technocracy is some sort of dictatorship. All a "technocracy" would be is a type of government that makes policies based on the best available scientific evidence. For the most part, government policies are, in fact, based in science.
Since you don't believe that governments, even in antiquity, took public health very seriously:
Public Health in Ancient Rome.
A History of the Public Health System.
The success of public health efforts throughout history is evident in the fact that people like you do not believe that infectious disease is even a problem. Before Covid, you never actually knew of or heard of anyone dying from what is now a vaccine-preventable disease, have you? I'd bet that you've never even seen someone crippled by polio.
The purpose of government in America is to preserve freedom and liberty. Period. Read the Declaration you Jezebel.
Oh, I've read it--but have you?
ArtI.S8.C1.2.7 General Welfare, Relatedness, and Independent Constitutional Bars
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; . . .
What this says is that there are only two purposes for Congress to levy tax: defense and general welfare. In the Constitution, "general welfare" refers to the health and safety of citizens, not the dole. Forget all of the political posturing, back-stabbing, and use of political office for personal enrichment: just about all politicians take the general welfare clause of the Constitution very seriously. All those federal agencies--HHS, DOE, DOT, etc., exist for the purpose of protecting the general welfare--the health and safety of the general public.
Protecting freedom? There isn't actually much of that in the Constitution. You have some limited freedoms enumerated in the First Amendment (freedom of religion and of speech), but the remaining amendments are not about freedom, but about rights (not the same thing). I fail to see how removing that "general welfare" clause from the Constitution and closing all of those agencies concerned with health and safety would enhance freedom... I don't consider that catching an infectious disease that can permanently damage my health or even kill me is an expression of freedom.
And you've been a troll here a long time: where were your impassioned pleas that the authorities stop the BLM riots on health grounds?
...and I notice again, you lying sack of crap, that you ignored as well the Dem governors packing COVID patients into nursing homes, when President Trump had made dedicated hospital ships available, and you ignored the Diamond Princess, where people in close contact in the petri dish called a cruise ship failed to all get sick.
But "Two weeks to stop the Trump Train" so it's off to quarantine we go.
The academic was there to get rid of Trump.
I typed in "scamdemic" in the sentence above and it autocorrected to academic.
Shades of Google Maps labeling the "Drumpf Tower".
Speaking of political chicanery, You never did answer the other poster about who you were going to vote for in 2024.
But I will add, who did you vote for in 2016 and 2020?
Time to dance for us again, Dingy.
Again, the same tired old double standard in favor of the narrative.
Whatever happened to "correlation" is not causation"?
Did you even bother to break down the deaths by zip code and link that, and allow for expected lag time between exposure, Frank symptoms, and death? Or for the average age of the rioters vs. the fatality of COVID by age? I didn't see a lot of obese 70 year old rioters.
Dingbat.
First, a question: did you personally read the Moderna SEC report submission to verify that it actually says what the antivax blog told you it says? One important piece of advice about repeating antivax claims: read the original source for yourself to make sure it really says what the antivax blogger claims it says.
For context, in this section of the report, Moderna is listing and describing (in great detail) various factors that can impact their current cash flow and expectations of future earnings.
The section is titled: "Risks related to our business and creating a new class of medicines" and starts on page 63.
The exact mention of "gene therapy" on page 70 is this:
Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA.
This does not mean that Moderna considers its vaccine a gene therapy. The relation of mRNA to gene therapy is that mRNA carries information from the genes encoded in the DNA gene therapy agent to the ribosomes where the proteins are made. The purpose of such a gene therapy would be to give a patient with a genetic defect such as muscular dystrophy genes that will help them make normal proteins to replace the defective ones.
Unlike certain gene therapies that irreversibly alter cell DNA and could act as a source of side effects, mRNA-based medicines are designed to not irreversibly change cell DNA; however, side effects observed in gene therapy could negatively impact the perception of mRNA medicines despite the differences in mechanism.
This is a wordy and highly technical statement that the vaccine and other mRNA based medicines are not gene therapy. mRNA does not alter DNA. It cannot insert into DNA. It is not located in the same "room" of the cell as DNA. Cellular enzymes that function to reproduce DNA molecules don't work on RNA. Cells make mRNA for the sole purpose of carrying a message from the DNA genome to the ribosome protein factory. Once that mRNA does its job, the cells destroy it. It only lasts for a few hours.
While it specifies that the mRNA vaccine is NOT a gene therapy, it does state that there is a possibility that it *might* (not will) have side effects that are associated with gene therapy products.
The rest of this section discusses regulatory issues that might arise with respect to the FDA. This is highly speculatory and I will not further discuss it. The speculation is OBE (overtaken by events) anyway, since we now know how the FDA regulated the clinical trials.
Editorial note: your mention of the Moderna SEC filing was vague and you failed to provide a link. However, this is an example of how there was enough information for me to be able to hop over to Google and immediately find it.
Just out of curiosity, I decided to look up FDA-approved gene therapy products.
Approved Cellular and Gene Therapy Products.
There are twenty products listed on this page. Some are just cells. Some are indirect gene therapies in which certain cells are removed from the patient or a donor, genetically modified, and then infused into the patient. Some are direct gene therapies in which the functional gene is inserted into an adenovirus or other virus. These are DNA viruses which can and do insert into the patient's genome, meaning that they do alter patient DNA. There is not a single mRNA product listed on this page. This would be because mRNA cannot and does not affect DNA. The most mRNA can do is cause a cell to make a protein for a few hours.
Remember, scientists who are genuinely trying to share information give links and/or citations because they want to make it as easy as possible for their readers to fact-check. Professional antivaxxers typically give just enough detail to convince their marks that they really know what they are talking about, but the last thing in the world they want is for their marks to fact-check them.
Sod off.
I pointed out the FDA called it a gene therapy.
Which contradicted your lie that only anti-vaxxers called it so.
Yes, I eyeballed it myself.
All you desperate ex- post-facto sputtering and lies cannot change that.
By YOUR stated rules, the FDA called it such.
That has now been irrevocably established, by your criteria, for all time.
Cretin.
That is one of the most misunderstood and misused statements ever, especially among antivaxxers.
If two observations have a common factor, then one would expect to see a correlation between them. The relationship between the two observations determines whether A causes B, B causes A, or something else causes both A and B.
In this case, we know that Covid is spread through the respiratory route. We know that social distancing is necessary to minimize exposure to an infected person who is actively shedding virus. We also know that, prior to the riots, we were all in a state of lockdown.
My spreadsheet shows that between April 10 and May 3, 2020 the number of new daily cases ranged from 17,318 to 37,346 with a daily average of 29,193 cases. From May 4 to June 16, 2020, the range of daily cases was 18,137 to 28,363 with a daily average of 22,294 cases. The overall trend was going downward. (I seem to recall that around this time, Trump made an enthusiastic speech that we were going to beat this thing.) (I also did regression analysis showing the decline in cases at this time.)
On June 17, the number of cases rose to 23,705, an almost 4k increase from the 19,957 cases on June 16. Cases did not drop again to fewer than 24k until Sept 8, 2023. Between June 18 and Sept 7, 2023, there were between 25,850 and 83,040 cases daily, average 50,490. Daily cases started to drop again in September.
The BLM protests started in a single city on May 26, 2020, in a handful of other cities on May 27, and just kept growing in magnitude after that. By June 2, public health authorities were expressing (justifiable) concern about protestors spreading Covid. The subsequent rise in Covid cases is, therefore, directly attributable to the BLM riots, based on the events and the known mechanism of infection. (I should point out that exposing the eyes to the virus is another route of infection, and most people did not cover their full faces.) Because I haven't graphed the data, I can't say off the top of my head exactly when the inflection point occurred between the decline in cases to the increase in cases. However, given that the incubation period of SARS-CoV-2 is between 4 and 14 days, the timelines I describe here are consistent with the protestors driving the spread of Covid.
A timeline of the George Floyd and anti-police brutality protests.
Did you even bother to break down the deaths by zip code and link that, and allow for expected lag time between exposure, Frank symptoms, and death? Or for the average age of the rioters vs. the fatality of COVID by age? I didn't see a lot of obese 70 year old rioters.
I do not and have not looked at deaths or cases by zip code. That level of granularity is not needed. Furthermore, you'll noticed that I didn't mention deaths at all because this analysis focused on disease spread, not outcome. The greatest spread of Covid was in the cities; the riots were also in the cities (further corroboration of the role of the BLM riots in spreading Covid). I don't know who Frank is, or what the relevance is of "Frank symptoms." The pertinent fact here is the number of definitively diagnosed cases, not a body of "Frank symptoms." The age of the rioters is also not relevant. The death rate of Covid can be stratified by age, but age does not affect whether you catch Covid or not. Age is also not strongly correlated with symptoms of long Covid. The death rate of Covid during the riot period dropped from 5.44 to 3.01%.
For comparison, from Oct 13 to 30, 2023, there were 159,041 new cases of Covid, or 9,355 new cases per day. The death rate is currently 1.08%. The reason both new cases and the death rate have dropped so much is that the majority of the population is vaccinated. New antivirals do help Covid patients to survive, but their effect is not as large as the effect of vaccines. (What is it--a penny's worth of prevention is worth a pound of cure?)
You’re an idiot, especially as the case counts are known to have been inflated, and the lack of any information correlating the age and location of the rioters with that of the individuals which have died; or allowing for the expected lag time between exposure, frank symptoms (”stay home until you turn bue, then report to the hospital where we can refuse zinc or quercetin or vitamin D or HCQ or Ivermectin, and just pump you full of run-death-is-near until you croak, while the nurses make dancing tik-tok videos and the hospital admins get a fat check for your death”).
Or allowing for the higher fatality rates among fat, sick old people vs the young, skinny rioters.
Dingbat.
Tell you what.
If your spreadsheet has no PHI, or anything to cause heartburn (like errant artificial spike protein) 😱
publish a copy here.
You like to brag about how super careful scientific you are, with mathematical sophistication beyond the lot of mere mortals.
So obviously you have nothing to fear by sharing it.
Dingbat.
By YOUR stated rules, the FDA called it such.
No. Moderna stated that the FDA considers some mRNA products as gene therapies. Moderna did NOT state that the FDA considers their vaccine as a gene therapy.
Other than the statement in the Moderna SEC filing--which is a legal and financial document, not a scientific document--I can find no corroboration of the statement that the FDA considers mRNA products as gene therapies.
From a scientific viewpoint, calling mRNA a "gene therapy" is highly questionable. As I already pointed out, mRNA is just an intermediary between the gene in the cell and the ribosome that makes the protein encoded by the gene. A gene therapy product that actually alters DNA is made with DNA, because only DNA can be used to alter DNA.
The FDA currently has draft documents regarding the regulation of gene therapy products:
Manufacturing Changes and Comparability for Human Cellular and Gene Therapy Products Draft Guidance for Industry, Human Gene Therapy Products Incorporating Human Genome Editing Draft Guidance for Industry.. Neither of these mention mRNA. They are searchable documents, so it only takes a moment to see whether they contain the acronym "mRNA."
This is an FDA informational page on gene therapy: What is Gene Therapy? It only mentions DNA, not mRNA (or any other RNA).
The FDA considers gene therapies and vaccines as "biologics." They each have their own page linked from the Biologics Guidances page on the FDA website.
Go back and read for yourself the Moderna SEC filing. And read it again until you understand it. Keep in mind that it is not a scientific document, but a legal document written to satisfy SEC requirements.
Reading comprehension is *super* important.
That's unusually stupid, even for you.
Hypothetical counterexample:
COVID runs rampant in Green Bay, but all the protestors were in Milwaukee.
The riots were highly correlated with melanin content of the skin.
You have to know both the number of people who were initially infected in a crowd, and ambient conditions, in addition to both the number of "sufficiently close contacts" and the susceptibility of those exposed: and so on for their contacts.
As well as assurances the case rates were accurate.
Which we all know they weren't given they were using PCR.
I'm sure you've read of Kary Mullis ripping Fauci a new one.
And before you repeat your bs screed about how "finely tuned" the tests are.
You're neglecting the number of amplification cycles, and the prevalence of any other corona viruses which would give a false positive signal.
And the amazing miraculous drop in cold and/or flu while all this lying about the case rates was going on.
I might be able to dig it up, but there was an uproarious set of guidelines for confirmed diagnosis by the medical authorities, which ended up tantamount to being able to confirm a positive case without testing based on symptoms slone given certain conditions of exposure to other "confirmed" cases: where IIRC, none of the "confirmed" cases ever had to have been tested at all.
Dingbat.
And dance for us while you hand over the Magic Spreadsheet of Scientific Proof™.
More after the fact spin and backpedaling.
See, the FDA is full of overpaid government crabs like you, whose highest priority is keeping their pension.
So they’ll say anything to keep Big Pharma happy.
You know, like the SCIENCE™! laden statement, “Y’all are not a horse. Stop it.”
Speaking of government crabs,
so you supervised 100 people (implying they were all PhDs) and then it comes out 87 of them were staffers. And even with that, you never managed to save a million dollars?
Typical government crabs, wasting money like pouring water through a sieve.
Be interesting to find out who’s paying you to spread your bull crap now that you’re retired, since you seem to have (by your own admission) far less money than the average US citizen in your apparent (by admission) age range.
Dingbat.
Which is why they held off on the jab until the EUA, right?
Go look for the YouTube video (or rumble or whatever) of one of the C-level executives of Moderna chortling over how they went from near bankruptcy to rolling in the dough, *once the EUA was in place*.
I found it. Like the Lancet article, like the SEC statement.
I bet you can't, and you'll lie and call it "anonymous anti-vaxxers" instead.
Sorry, Dingbat.
Actions speak louder than your spin.
As to adverse events...I just verified with a friend I attended high school with years ago.
His otherwise very healthy father in law had a stroke the same day he received his Pfizer #2 shot. He recovered after months of therapy and presumably, medication. Clean bill of health with lots of imaging as evidence. Friend’s wife pleaded with her Dad not to get the first booster. He got the booster. Within hours of that booster, had a serious brain bleed and collapsed on the road. Now he is being told that the next fall will probably kill him.
The cv19vx injury support groups are FULL of stories like this. This just happens to be one I can corroborate through a friend.
My friend keeps in touch with ppl from our high school years. At least one dozen “sudden” and unexplained deaths. We’re talking a small high school of about 800 students. And we’re not that old (50s).
Technocracy absolutely IS dictatorship. It is the governing philosophy of the CCP. It is Hobbes’ Leviathan.
I suggest you do a little research as to what James Madison meant by “the general welfare”. Also, research Article 1 Section 8. There is no federal health authority over the several States of the Union in the Constitution.
Your Democrat is showing through.
Yeah, "evidence" like this.
Get rekt, troll.
This is the same poster who advocated for mandatory COVID-19 shots, to keep your job.
I thought the name of this site was "Free Republic".
There are lots of vaccine mandates for people to work in certain jobs or to attend school. I have yet to find a single person complaining about how having to get vaccinated absolutely destroyed their rights as enumerated in the Bill of Rights (first ten amendments) of the Constitution.
I bet you really admire this guy:
Washington state trooper who said Gov. 'Jay Inslee can kiss my ***' after being fired for refusing to get vaccinated has died from COVID-19. (Cuss word edited out.)
Look at that. His stand for "freedom" was so principled that he even died for it. He's just like a Soldier who goes to war!
Never mind that if he just would have gotten the shots, he'd still have his job and his life. Those don't matter. Standing up for "freedom" is what matters!
Hmm... which article or clause in the Constitution specifies that citizens have an inalienable right to catch deadly diseases and spread them to others? I don't recall reading that one.
Evidence like a meme created to spread the antivax narrative?
That doesn't qualify as evidence.
Unless a meme contains a specific piece of misinformation that I can counter, I do not like to discuss it.
That said, scientists and clinicians know that vaccines are not magical shields that protect vaccinees from every pathogenic assault. Vaccines are immune system training aids. The ability of immune systems to learn is highly variable and depends on a lot of factors.
Just like when you sit thirty students in a calculus class, some of them will master the material and get an A, some will be unable to learn any of it and get an F, and most will be somewhere in the middle, learning enough to get by. Immune systems are like that. Some of them just don't learn very well. And people with those non-A-student immune systems can get infected. But, as long as their immune systems aren't F-students, they'll have less severe disease, be less contagious, and recover faster.
The meme shows public statements from either public figures, “experts” (like a billionaire computer software maven who couldn’t even protect his own operating system from viruses), making categorical statements to influence the masses to get the clot shots.
All of the statements were false; and in at least several of the cases, the people making them either knew they were false, or were in a position to find out trivially that they were false.
So your brushing off that meme is another lie.
Sgt Pfizer’s Lonely Hearts Clot Band
counteracts the lies of the people in the first meme, even if too late to prevent the deaths.
But if inspires people to get revenge, and to make sure this kind of crap never happens again, it is well worth it.
Dingbat.
Shove your Pfizer propaganda up your ass.
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