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To: Eleutheria5

Here’s the problem with this argument.

Things were quiet for a while, and the Israelis had actually been easing off on restrictions and requirements for border crossings etc. The Israeli’s had actually been NOT targeting Hamas as aggressively...

Do you randomly, without warning, slap the $hit out of your kid when he’s behaving, and then say “that’s for when you misbehaved years ago?!”

He’s right, there is (((ALWAYS))) a back story. Nothing happens in a vacuum and people attempt to over simplify things by ignoring such. Ignoring the back story is a way to assign blame to one side solely, and it’s not truthful.

But at a minimum, if you’re the Palestinian side, even if you’re polishing all your new rockets you’ve amassed and praying for the death of Israel, you should consider that the timing is less than ideal. Do don’t strike out at someone when things are going fairly well and your actually having your way?


And as for us helping Israel. That should not even be a question asked.

Unlike Ukraine who we owe nothing, with Israel we have MULTIPLE security agreements (formal promises made) and it is a nation we de facto helped create in 1948.

Unlike Ukraine which is not a real democracy, not really sovereign, and has a horrible human rights record; Israel is a democracy, is sovereign and does follow a rule of law. Following a rule of law, and a doctrine where you have rules of land warfare does not mean accidents don’t happen, or that folks don’t go rogue on you. What that does mean is that you don’t have a government literally support a bunch of whack jobs like Azov in Ukraine.

In Ukraine, the “back story” had us antagonizing things, a lot. We were violating Minsk, offered NATO to Ukraine, had our SF there, arming them... Our media using terms such as “unprovoked” for Ukraine is a bit of a stretch. I think everyone familiar with the situation knew that when we offered NATO to Ukraine October 2021 that we had just started a countdown timer for war. Having built up the Ukrainian armed forces, bringing in thousands of mercenaries, arming the crap out of them, we had simply hoped that we had made the price to high and Russia would acquiesce.

But Israel is not the same situation. They really were surprise attacked and it really was unprovoked, we really do owe them our help, and this nation really is a sovereign and democratic state with rules they try to follow.

***Be careful, there are those who are rhetorically attempting to combine Ukraine and Israel in order to keep up support for a war which is growing increasingly expensive and unpopular.***


11 posted on 10/24/2023 10:04:48 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

Hundred percent right on the Israel side. As for your comments on Ukraine, I’m not interested in getting sidetracked. This is an Israel thread.


13 posted on 10/24/2023 10:11:42 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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