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What Israel Will Face in Gaza The High Costs of Crushing Hamas
Foreign Affairs ^ | October 14, 2023 | Daniel Byman and Seth G. Jones

Posted on 10/15/2023 2:35:03 AM PDT by cabojoe

Israel is on the verge of launching a major invasion. Over the last three days, the government has called up over 300,000 military reservists. It is massing forces near the Gaza Strip, and it has started bombarding the territory. In the early morning of October 13, it asked the United Nations to evacuate 1.1 million people from the north of Gaza, and later that day, it dropped leaflets in the territory telling people to move south. The question is no longer whether Israel will send its military into Gaza but rather how deep Israeli forces will go into the enclave and how long they will stay there.

On one level, an Israeli attack on Gaza is not entirely unprecedented. Israel and Hamas have clashed repeatedly in the strip since the militant group seized power there in 2007. But these battles were fairly limited. Israel hit Hamas hard with airstrikes on personnel and key infrastructure in Gaza, but it only ventured sporadic raids on the ground. The reason for this restraint was straightforward: Israeli ground offensives in Gaza are exceedingly bloody and difficult. During the last major one in 2014, approximately 66 Israeli soldiers, six Israeli civilians, and well over 2,000 Palestinians died, even though the military penetrated only a few miles deep into the enclave. Most of the Palestinian deaths were civilians; a quarter were children. To the Israelis, then, it has never seemed worth trying to retake the territory, especially because the Israeli government believed it could control and deter Hamas without ordering major assaults.

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To: cabojoe

The cost of ‘not’ crushing HAMAS is already known... The cost of crushing them will be well worth it.


21 posted on 10/15/2023 6:01:45 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: cabojoe

It’ll be interesting to see with so much of Israels’s army in the field if there’s an Iranian second stage to Hamas’ attack.


22 posted on 10/15/2023 6:24:24 AM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: cabojoe

Or they could drive the Philistines from the land. Let their Muslim Arab brothers take care of them. After they’re driven from the land, resettle the land with Jews who’ve recently entered Israel.


23 posted on 10/15/2023 6:40:37 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople ( "ever thought I'd live to see the day when the right wing would become the cool ones"-Johnny Rotten)
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To: cabojoe

I think Israel will go for the siege

Cutoff food water supplies

Form a ring around the territory with ships and the existing fence.
Deploy drones and cadaver dogs to sniff out dead enders for elimination


24 posted on 10/15/2023 6:47:52 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: rellic

Give the same “compassion” that was given to the innocent Israelis who were slaughtered.


25 posted on 10/15/2023 6:53:06 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: InkStone

Amen to that.


26 posted on 10/15/2023 6:53:45 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: cabojoe

The Philistines need to be cleansed from this planet. They have been a thorn in the side of mankind.


27 posted on 10/15/2023 7:01:47 AM PDT by MGunny ( )
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To: cabojoe

The Philistines need to be cleansed from this planet. They have been a thorn in the side of mankind.


28 posted on 10/15/2023 7:02:34 AM PDT by MGunny ( )
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To: cabojoe

It would be wise to starve them out for a couple of weeks first.


29 posted on 10/15/2023 7:17:43 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yep....poison the water, bomb aid trucks coming from Egypt, 30mm from Apaches for those military age males out in the open. Don’t just target those with green bandanas and ak47, hit any male 15-55 HARD.


30 posted on 10/15/2023 7:44:06 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Inter arma enim silent leges! - Cicero )
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To: eeriegeno

No. Just level it and turn it into open prairie.


31 posted on 10/15/2023 7:59:25 AM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: cabojoe

It’s easy. Turn it into a glass factory

Quit being nic


32 posted on 10/15/2023 8:19:57 AM PDT by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: Iron Munro
When evil is allowed to grow and thrive...and encouraged as Palestinians and the ME leaders have done and supported -— and the world leaders have well understood is happening then of course the costs will escalate as that threat grows.

Cancer will always kill when allowed to go on unchecked! Islamic Terrorists are a Cancer wherever they are and in whatever nation they have entered..including our own nation.

33 posted on 10/15/2023 8:29:12 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: metmom

I have no doubt they’ll hall out the hostages once Israels taken down most of Hamas and those supporting them. .....IF they are still even alive and last that long.


34 posted on 10/15/2023 8:33:42 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: cabojoe

How about a thurogh napalming of Gaza? This would likely reduce opposition - at least. The nice part of this is that it will kill many in the tunnels as well.


35 posted on 10/15/2023 8:44:12 AM PDT by wjr123 (Kirk is wrong)
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To: cabojoe

just shut it off, and starve them out...


36 posted on 10/15/2023 9:40:07 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: cabojoe

Stand off and rain artillery and bombs on the goat humpers.


37 posted on 10/15/2023 10:18:03 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: LeoWindhorse
Spare not a single Hamas fighter , not a one . No quarter . Eradicate them from the fabric of humanity . 100%

In the old days, Muslim conquerers would give captives a choice - become a Muslim or die. The prisoners who refused were immediately beheaded. Sick twisted religion. Islam means "Submit"... or die.

There is no way to redeem Hamas fighter's soul, they will not give up being evil. Killing them is the only way to stop them.

38 posted on 10/15/2023 12:23:49 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Steven Tyler
I think Israel will go for the siege

Yes, move much of the populace out of the way, and starve the hidden Hamas fighters until dead. But... the international community won't let this continue for long. Which is why more extreme methods must also be employed. More bunker buster bombs, razing most buildings, air-fuel explosives to suck oxygen out of tunnels, etc. Kill as many of the hidden terrorists as possible in a short period of time.

39 posted on 10/15/2023 12:34:06 PM PDT by roadcat
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Israel is going to slow roll Hamas from north to south, pick them off as they exit the tunnels to Egypt, while using JDAMs to trigger / disarm the mile-by-mile booby-traps Hamas has left behind underground.

One thing is certain -- there will be no tunnel network when the IDF leaves. There may not be much infrastructure either.

Which is exactly what should happen.

Israel's approach is smart, kill Hamas where they lay, but in the long term, force a permanent exodus from Gaza -- make the Palis the problem of Egypt, and Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, and Dubai, where the Pali diaspora is already creating problems; and let the Mooselime crescent absorb their plague-carrying rats.

This is the best long-term way to punish Iran -- who always, always overplay their weak hand -- by sending the Palis to Iran's Mudshite enemies!

40 posted on 10/15/2023 12:52:15 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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