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Why There is Never Peace Between Israel and the Palestinians-Hint: it's not about negotiations over territory.
Frontpagemagazine ^ | October 12, 2023 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 10/12/2023 6:46:11 AM PDT by SJackson

[Make sure to read Robert Spencer’s contributions in Jamie Glazov’s new book: Barack Obama’s True Legacy: How He Transformed America.]

In its analysis of the war that has begun between Hamas and Israel, CNN noted on Saturday that the Biden regime was just in the process of pressuring Israel to make a series of concessions to the Palestinians in order to further the cause of normalization of ties between Israel and Saudi Arabia. In this, both the sinister establishment media propagandists of CNN and the sinister kleptocrats of the Biden regime betrayed their fundamental failure, or refusal, to understand why there is this apparently endless conflict between Israel and the Palestinians in the first place.

CNN reported that “as recently as this week, Biden had hoped to be nearing the completion of a major agreement with Israel and Saudi Arabia to establish formal diplomatic ties, potentially transforming the entire Middle East. The expectation had been that the deal would include agreement from Netanyahu on certain concessions to the Palestinians, including potentially freezing settlements and agreeing to an eventual Palestinian state.”

The universal assumption is that freezing settlements and agreeing to a Palestinian state (which the Palestinians have previously rejected on numerous occasions) will bring peace. Yet this is not true, and the Palestinians themselves have made that clear on numerous occasions over the years. Back on Oct. 5, 2018, on “Not a Neighbor,” a program on official Palestinian Authority television, Sharia judge Muhannad Abu Rumi denounced the idea that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was about territory and could thus be subject to negotiations:

People could be deluded or think…that we have no way out with the Jews…The liberation of this land is a matter of faith, which will happen despite everyone. The Jews leaving this land is a divine decree…The war is not only over this strip of land, as you all know the Jews want everything and not just a part. They want to subjugate us, and that we be slaves to their command…

Just a week after that, during a Friday sermon at the Islamic Center of South Florida, Imam Hasan Sabri offered a succinct encapsulation of the principle of “Drive them out from where they drove you out” (Qur’an 2:191): “If a land is occupied or plundered, it should be liberated from its occupiers and plunderers, even if this leads to the martyrdom of tens of millions of Muslims.”

Sabri ridiculed the very idea of negotiations: “Take the Palestinian cause, for example. It is not being plotted against with a deal they call ‘the Deal of the Century.’ Why do they call it a ‘deal’? Because whoever is involved in this treason is not a man of principles. These are peddlers, not men with a cause. All they want are positions and jobs. That is why for them, the cause is nothing but a deal, a matter of give and take. For them, it is nothing but a deal.”

To this, Sabri contrasted the “position of a believing Muslim about the Palestinian cause,” which he characterized in this way: “That Palestine in its entirety is Islamic land, and there is no difference between what was occupied in 1948 and 1967. There is no difference between this village or that village, this city or that city. All of it is Islamic waqf land that was occupied by force. The responsibility for it lies with the entire Islamic nation, and the [Palestinians] should benefit from this land. If a land is occupied or plundered, it should be liberated from the occupiers and plunderers, even if this leads to the martyrdom of tens of millions of Muslims. This is the ruling, and there is no room for discussion or concessions.”

There is no room for discussion or concessions because of the nature of the foe as they communicate it to their people. An Egyptian Muslim cleric, Sheikh Masoud Anwar, on Al-Rahma TV on Jan. 9, 2009, also stated that negotiations with the Israelis were worthless because Jews could not be trusted. He declared: “The worst enemies of the Muslims — after Satan — are the Jews. Who said this? Allah did.” Indeed he did: it’s in the Qur’an (5:82).

Numerous Muslim clerics have for many years contradicted the general assumption that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict was over land and could be settled through negotiations. As Barack Obama pressed Israel to resume peace talks with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, in the summer of 2013, Sheikh Hammam Saeed, the leader of the Jordanian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, thundered that eradicating all Jewish presence from the Holy Land was a matter of Islamic law. He termed the idea of a negotiated settlement “heresy, according to Islamic law, because Allah says that Palestine belongs to the Islamic nation, while they say that Palestine belongs to the Jews. Anyone who says that Palestine belongs to the Jews has no place in the religion of Allah, and no room in this creed. This is an issue of heresy and belief.”

Examples of this kind of rhetoric could be multiplied endlessly. Yet in the next few days, Biden and his cohorts will demand that Israel stop defending itself and return to the negotiating table. You know, some men you just can’t reach.


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To: MMaschin
The analogy of Europeans taking over the Anericas to what is happening in Judea is not a good one.

In a similar manner:

Why are Americans getting their panties in a wad over a few beheaded babies?

After all; we seem to be alright with allowing serial killers to suck the brains out of babies that aren't quite born yet.

21 posted on 10/12/2023 7:09:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SJackson

If Joshua (chapters 8-9) had gotten rid of the Gibeonites...


22 posted on 10/12/2023 8:14:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SJackson

Go back to the beginning. Abraham. God promised Abraham and Sarah a son. Time passed.. They grew old and no son. Abraham and Sarah agreed to try the handmaid.. A son was born, Ishmael.

God again came to Abraham on the son.. Ishmael not the son God promised.. In old age Sarah had Isaac.. The son God had said would be born.

Isaac is called the promised one. The one God used.. Follow Isaac through the old testament.. They were given land to expand a family.. An example for what God had planned for generations.

The Jews are Isaac’s people... They suffered much in their journey.. They missed some of God’s plans.. They wanted a king. They tried to pick one thru the years.. God had a king for them.. For all.. Jesus came.. The long awaited King. He didn’t fit their idea of a king.

Jesus was born in Jerusalem in a manger.. Not the making of a king in their minds. His father was not royal.. He was a carpenter.
The high priests did not accept Jesus.. The Man who healed and taught... People followed Jesus.. The hierarchy... God forgive them.. They crucified their King. Jesus had prayed, lamenting the good promised them.. Oh Jerusalem.. I wanted to do much and you would not have Me.

They have suffered much.. Yet today..
Ishmael was not forsaken.. But he was not the one in God’s plan.

This is misunderstood.. Chosen did not mean favored. It meant example.. We all are favored if we accept Jesus.

Hate is the destroyer of good.


23 posted on 10/13/2023 3:57:20 AM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: SJackson
The war is not only over this strip of land

That is correct, it's not about land, it's global domination by Islam. Israel is merely a speed bump......

Many people have forgotten the Armenian genocide and the Syrian death marches during WW-1 as well as the Munich Olympics in 1972.

24 posted on 10/13/2023 4:06:01 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: SJackson

It’s all about growing oranges and the like.


25 posted on 10/15/2023 7:24:21 PM PDT by Wdempsey (Democrats and slinkys.. Both useless but fun to push down stairs.)
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To: Taxman

ping


26 posted on 10/16/2023 8:58:12 PM PDT by Taxman (ADAND)
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To: Soul of the South

“Native Americans in the United States can speak to the equity of the “two state solution”. Once side gets the good land . The other side gets the bad land the side with the good land does’t want. The result is perpetual poverty for the side with the bad land.”

Maybe that was true 100 years ago, but not today, at least with the tribes in the Pacific Northwest. Additionally since the government allowed the tribes to take over 50% of the annual fisheries, (Boldt Decision, tribes can now arrive by boat under armed guard and harvest what THEY determine to be half of the inventory on non-tribal beaches and the fish in rivers) and established Money Trees, (casinos), the tribes are doing quite nicely.

Speaking about the land, because of the way the US Bureau of Indian Affairs set up the socialist reservation system, the tribal members could care less about maintaining it. Even now, drive through a reservation and you’ll see filth and debris everywhere because they have no respect, or skin in the game.

I thought as the tribes got richer and became more integrated into the American enterprise system, which they are doing quite remarkably here in the PNW, I had hoped they would start cleaning up their reservations and show pride in ownership, that is slow to manifest because they are basically renters from the Feds.

One reason holding them back us how they distribute their land. Since the tribes are flush with gaming dollars many tribes have been on a land buying spree for the past 20 years or so here. When a non tribal parcel is purchased, fee land, because the owner pays taxes that funds the community needs, the tribes apply to have the land absorbed into the trust land, think reservation, and after a 5 year waiting period during which the tribes pay the taxes, the fee land get transferred into a trust designation ending any taxation the community receives.

This allows the tribes in theory to grow their reservations but once again, who holds the deed to the newly acquired land? The Feds. Meanwhile, the school system, roads, hospitals and every other entity that relies on taxes for funding loses revenue yet the tribes use the same schools, highways and drive on the same roads for free.

It seems to me the tribes have a good deal, but it’s completely different than what is going on in the Middle East.


27 posted on 10/19/2023 5:02:20 AM PDT by bigfootbob (Arm Up and Live Free!)
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To: bigfootbob

Some tribes today have a good deal. One hundred years ago they all had a rotten deal.


28 posted on 10/19/2023 7:56:07 PM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on )
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To: SJackson
If you truly want to understand history and why this continues then I would suggest you watch this video by Ben Shapiro. He does a fantastic job with history and the facts.

THE TRUTH About the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (A Comprehensive History)

29 posted on 10/19/2023 7:59:10 PM PDT by New Perspective (As Leonard Cohen said once in an interview, “You won’t like what comes after America”)
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To: Soul of the South

That’s what I said. First or second sentence.


30 posted on 10/20/2023 6:40:21 AM PDT by bigfootbob (Arm Up and Live Free!)
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