Posted on 10/10/2023 6:42:28 AM PDT by Red Badger
Why not have the Israelis do the fighting and dying? They are much closer to the situation and if they really feel that Iran is a big threat, they are the ones who should do both the fighting and the dying.
Every single involvement that we have had in the Middle East has brought us nothing but misery. Too many Americans have already died in that part of the world. We lost 34 men when the Israelis attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, we lost 264 Marines in a single truck bombing in Beirut, almost 5,000 killed in Iraq, and about 3,000 in Afghanistan, and for what?
The only thing that changed was that thousands of American families are minus their sons. This doesn’t even include the tens of thousands of men wounded, with many thousands who will suffer from their physical and mental wounds for the rest of their lives. Just consider the billions of dollars in VA compensation that will be paid out over the next 50 years to those veterans, in addition to the monetary cost of the wars themselves.
Fighting Iran just to demonstrate our ability to project power is not a good enough reason. I think the world already knows that we can project power just about anywhere we want to.
bkmk
They already have into Egypt
“If you were in the same position, would you warn anyone living in Gaza in advance?
Many innocent lives may be saved by these calls, but it also tells the enemy exactly what you are planning to do.”
I would warn the Gaza residents to get the hell out and I would ‘let’ them out. Any that remained I would reign holy hell down on, no mercy shown. That’s what needs to happen. But war, especially retaliation in war, rarely happens as it “should”.
So are you ok with providing air power at least against Hamas?
My post was very specific to the other poster’s comment.
They were saying to gather people from areas of Gaza, and if they don’t leave, execute them.
Executing unarmed prisoners is a great way to get everyone against you and solidify all Muslims into actual war.
Citizens dying in bombings is an accepted fact of war.
Executing unarmed prisoners is unacceptable.
Your ‘amazingly stupid’ idea post was in response to my post #87.
Well stated.
The population of Gaza is a little over 2 million. Israel could use its invasion as a “sweep broom”, to push them all into Egypt. Then quickly put up a new wall and bulldoze every building in Gaza.
So, extrapolate from there.
What happens in the weeks and months after nuking Iran?
Israel is safer?
Iran isn’t full of rock throwing Arabs. They’re Persian and have a relatively forward military and scientific background.
Israel nuking Iran would lead to their destruction.
Israel is small with 9 million people. Islam is 1.8 billion.
Take out Hamas.
Israel will do what they think is best, and I highly doubt anyone in power is just going to nuke Tehran.
We shelled the Druze in the mountains of Lebanon in 1983 with the battleship New Jersey, all that did was get 264 Marines killed. Let the Israelis do the fighting and dying, we don’t need to. Bomb Hamas, and you can bet that Americans somewhere will end up paying the price.
Again, it is Israel’s fight, we should stay out of it. Those wanting to support Israel can go and join the fight themselves or wave Israeli flags over here.
I think it was Bismarck who said that the Balkans weren’t worth one German life, to paraphrase that, The Middle East isnt’ worth one more American life.
I know.
You ‘extrapolated’ and brought executions into the mix. A targeted tactical nuke strike has long been on the planning board if the time arises.
Egypt does not want them.
They saw what they did to Jordan.......................
OK, we disagree on at least this point: Americans are going to die — there and here — regardless of what we do. You don’t seem to get that. I’d prefer we have professional warfighters take out as many bad guys as they can before that comes to pass here. And it will.
Think we have about worn out this conversation.
Yep.
Aside from all that, people here seem to think Israel needs our help.
We sell them military equipment and have provided over $25 billion for free since the issues they had in 2014.
As you said, you want to fight, go fight.
Same for Ukraine.
Try reading to whom I posted to.
Did you even read the post?
I specifically said I was responding to another poster who brought it up…
Maybe take a look at the comment thread between euram and me? Covered a lot of points you may find of interest. While I respect your posts, think we have some difference of opinion here.
And as soon as all that gets spun up, the sleepers here in the US will start their missions. Life will get interesting. I’ve told my kids to start carrying everywhere they go.
Colonel, USAF JAGC (Ret)
My daughter does. CCW...................
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