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To: redheadedshannon

Is your comment self-satire or what? Right off the bat you offer up this strawman:

“.. we are more concerned about loyalty to a candidate than winning elections.”

Your implication that we’re choosing loyalty to Trump over winnability in the next election, is utter nonsense. Even if electability is your only metric, Trump is the by far the strongest Republican candidate running, with around a 40% gap between he and his closest GOP challenger.

Pretending for a moment that Biden really got 81 million votes in 2020, Trump’s official vote total in 2020 gives him the second largest number of votes in history. In the 3 years since that election, support for Biden has only plummeted while support for Trump has grown. The recent indictments against him have backfired and gained him unheard-of support among some of the Democrat party’s most loyal constituencies.

>>If there was a concentration on getting conservatives elected, we could pass statewide voting reforms that protect and reinforce honest elections, we could close the borders, deport & build a permanent barrier, we could get conservatives seated on courts, etc.

Have you been paying attention to elections for the past 20-plus years? We’ve been hearing that line for as long as I can remember. “If we just elect more conservatives we’ll be able to fix things.”

Do you remember the Tea Party, and do you remember how that movement was waylaid by Establishment Republicans giving lip service to its ideals? We were back to business as usual in no time. Most all of the Tea Party firebrands that were elected were indistinguishable from the Establishment Republicans they campaign against, in short order.

If you think sticking with the same-old, same-old is the answer then you’ve learned nothing from recent history.


82 posted on 09/13/2023 7:36:44 PM PDT by mbrfl
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To: mbrfl
"Have you been paying attention to elections for the past 20-plus years? We’ve been hearing that line for as long as I can remember. 'If we just elect more conservatives we’ll be able to fix things.'”

You and I know that will never happen, because there are still too many morons who claim they are conservatives, who will vote for a crap Republican candidate just to keep the seat Republican. The GOP will never be reformed because of that. Those people who vote for someone they know isn't good for America are just perpetuating the problem.

91 posted on 09/13/2023 8:03:18 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: mbrfl

Sorry but your inability to distinguish between an establishment stooge like Lindsay Graham & an actual verifiable conservative like Rand Paul, or Ron DeSantis is probably the thing I have the least respect for. You seem to have convinced yourself that you are the only true believers & that those of us that detest establishment types just as much as you are less committed than you because I would prefer another conservative over Trump. A) DeSantis is every bit as anti establishment as Trump ever was. B) He seems capable of realizing the election isn’t about him, it’s about the country. C) Trump, once elected, did not do the hard work of picking up the phone and helping get legislation passed when he had the chance in a Republican Congress. Didn’t even break a sweat. D) Trump had the chance in a couple of elections to build a coalition in the party, work towards getting Republicans elected & campaigning to ensure he had the votes. Nothing. E) He and many of his supporters turn a lot of people off. Not because you are bad people or because you show loyalty, but because even if somebody is 100% a solid conservative, but makes a critique because we know how important winning the election is, you endlessly badmouth us, compare us to the establishment & refuse any recommendations that might help us! 🤔


95 posted on 09/13/2023 8:14:13 PM PDT by redheadedshannon
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