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Big Lie Two Is Here, and It’s Far More Insidious Than Big Lie One
The New Republic ^ | September 11, 2023 | Michael Tomasky

Posted on 09/11/2023 9:11:17 AM PDT by RideForever

The Big Lie, as it quickly became known, was that Donald Trump actually won the 2020 election. He’s still out there peddling this nonsense, and a lot of people still believe it, though thankfully, they constitute a clear minority of voters.

But now there’s a new lie being peddled. Call it Big Lie Two. Trump has been hawking this one for a while too, but it has been, to my mind, oddly little remarked-upon. That needs to change: Big Lie Two is more (Excerpt) ...

(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: demagogicparty; demagogue; michaeltomasky; newrepublic
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To: Reno89519

That Trump’s legal issues are intended to prevent or inhibit his run for POTUS and I qoute from the article “ What’s true is this. Credible evidence has emerged on a number of fronts that Trump may have broken the law: that he absconded with boxes of sensitive, classified documents to Florida; that he approved a hush-money payment to a woman with whom he’d had sexual relations; that he tried to influence officials in Georgia to rig the 2020 election; and that he led or directed an insurrection against the government of the United States.”

Credible evidence that the POTUS took classified data. All 9 documents. Data he says he declassified and witness for the Government have said that Trumps said it was declassified. Trump should go to jail, but it was OK for Bill Clinton when he put them in his sock drawer...... Or better, it was ok for then Senator and then Vice President (who couldn’t declassify anything) to have 19 BOXES of classified documents.

Paid hush money. Huh? Democrats do this all the time. It’s not illegal, it’s called a NDA.

Trump pointed out that the Georgia Election, and especially Fulton County was dirty. Don’t take Trump’s word for it, read the report from the State of Georgia...count them now...25 Elections Laws independently violated. Dirty election, dirty county. The crime here is that Trump called them dirty.

Led an insurrection against the United States by saying “peacefully protest”.

I think Americans have a good idea what the Big lies are. The first is that the election process is valid....especially after an illegal Semi trailer of ballots is delivered to Pennsylvania election day and there is 1 million more votes than registered voters in the state.


21 posted on 09/11/2023 9:37:28 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: RideForever

Do not lizten to zem, ze are LIARZ!


22 posted on 09/11/2023 9:39:12 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: NorthMountain

Nobody even talks about the 2022 elections that were stolen.


23 posted on 09/11/2023 9:39:36 AM PDT by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: subterfuge
Nobody even talks about the 2022 elections that were stolen.

I know right but we should. Those who do not speak Truth to the errors of history are doomed to repeat it.

The Steal of 2020 was terrible, but if more focus had been put on the Steal of 2016, Part 2 (The first Steal of 2016 was the Iowa caucuses) we might not be here today.

Any surprise that it was Mike Pence who buried the extensive proof of 5 million Fraud votes?
24 posted on 09/11/2023 9:52:00 AM PDT by Observator
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To: GMThrust

There are no journalist left. At all. He is just another jack ass spouting out the leftist nonsense. Wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him on the ass. In case you didn’t understand what I was talking about, we Have no honest reporting left. Further, the CIA has had loads of practice programming news media all over the world. What makes you think they don’t control ours?


25 posted on 09/11/2023 9:54:14 AM PDT by silent majority rising
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To: RideForever

Big lie 1, Trump colluded with Russia to win the election. 2. The Steele dossier, 3. Hunter’s laptop, 4. Trump told people to drink bleach, 5....


26 posted on 09/11/2023 9:54:59 AM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: RideForever

“though thankfully, they constitute a clear minority of voters”

I’ve seen a couple of polls recently that suggest a majority of likely voters think 2020 was stolen.


27 posted on 09/11/2023 10:05:08 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: RideForever

FYI All: “The New Republic” is a communist magazine!


28 posted on 09/11/2023 10:06:01 AM PDT by egfowler3 (Kung Flu, today's Hypochondriacal psychosis (aka: Delusional parasitosis))
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

My thoughts exactly. Big truths...


29 posted on 09/11/2023 10:12:42 AM PDT by 2a-ok (Let em burn...)
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To: RideForever

Published 9:07 AM EDT, Sat October 17, 2020

That system of touch screens, printers and scanners was the subject of a sprawling lawsuit filed in the Northern District of Georgia in which plaintiffs claimed that the BMDs are insecure and prone to technical malfunctions and do not allow voters to visually verify that the BMD has in fact marked their ballots as they intended.

On the eve of the beginning of early voting, Judge Amy Totenberg denied the plaintiffs’ request to switch the entire state from using BMDs to hard-marked paper ballots, ruling that a change of that magnitude so close to the start of voting risked throwing the election into chaos.

Still, Totenburg’s ruling contained harsh words about the reliability and security of Georgia’s BMD system.

In conclusion, Totenberg wrote, “Plaintiffs’ challenge to the State of Georgia’s new ballot marking device QR barcode-based computer voting system and its scanner and associated software presents serious system security vulnerability and operational issues that may place Plaintiffs and other voters at risk of deprivation of their fundamental right to cast an effective vote that is accurately counted.”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/georgia-voting-issues-presidential-election-november-3/index.html


30 posted on 09/11/2023 10:15:10 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: RideForever

“The Commission’s Collection of State Voter Data
The Commmission’s June 28, 2017 letter to state election officials was unprecedented. Such a request for sensitive voter data had never been made by a federal official in the history of the country. The Commission sought ‘voter roll data’ including:
the full first and last names of all registrants, middle names or initials if available
addresses
dates of birth
political party (if recorded in your state)
last four digits of social security number if available
voter history (elections voted in) from 2006 onward
active/inactive status, cancelled status
information regarding any felony convictions
information regarding voter registration in another state
information regarding military status, and
overseas citizen information.”

https://epic.org/documents/epic-v-presidential-election-commission/

States such as Florida have such information for each of their residents.

Why should the United States collectively have been denied such information useful for cleaning up voting rolls?

The IRS mutually shares with the states far more detailed information.


31 posted on 09/11/2023 10:16:51 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

Facebook knows my birthday and I think Google does too.


32 posted on 09/11/2023 10:17:47 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: RideForever

Private equity firms reportedly own or control each of these vendors, which “have long skimped on security in favor of convenience,” leaving voting systems across the country “prone to security problems.”

“These problems threaten the integrity of our elections and demonstrate the importance of election systems that are strong, durable, and not vulnerable to attack.”

https://www.warren.senate.gov/oversight/letters/warren-klobuchar-wyden-and-pocan-investigate-vulnerabilities-and-shortcomings-of-election-technology-industry-with-ties-to-private-equity


33 posted on 09/11/2023 10:19:00 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: RideForever

What a pile of crap.


34 posted on 09/11/2023 10:24:28 AM PDT by pelican001
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To: Reno89519
The Big Lie, as it quickly became known, was that Donald Trump actually won the 2020 election. He’s still out there peddling this nonsense, and a lot of people still believe it, though thankfully, they constitute a clear minority of voters.

But now there’s a new lie being peddled. Call it Big Lie Two. Trump has been hawking this one for a while too, but it has been, to my mind, oddly little remarked-upon. That needs to change: Big Lie Two is more insidious and dangerous than Big Lie One, for two reasons. First, it has nothing to do with the settled past, but rather with the unsettled present and future. And second, unlike Big Lie One, a majority of Americans believe it.

The lie is that the indictments against Trump represent a collective effort to stop him from running for president. Trump talks of this all the time; “election interference” is the phrase he often uses. They can’t stop me legitimately, he says—they know I won in 2020, and they know I’ll win again, so this is how they’re trying to block me.


35 posted on 09/11/2023 10:26:42 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: RideForever

Tomasky is just a Progressive/Leftist mouth piece.

Nothing interesting, challenging or inspiring emanates out of his head.

Actually quite boring.


36 posted on 09/11/2023 10:27:26 AM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: NorthMountain
The author is out of touch with reality.

No, he knows exactly what's going on. He's not out of touch, he's lying. He's in line with the rest of the press, but there's a new sense of urgency out there on the "progressive" left, which maybe points to some troubling internal polling. Hard to say with these prevaricators, but the types of lies they're telling, and the actual content of the lies might give a hint as to what they're worried about.

In this case, people have begun to cotton on to the extraordinary power grab that these indictments represent, and they are not liking what they're seeing. This appears to be an attempt to "get ahead" of the growing realization that these Democrat operatives, if allowed to get away with all of this, will forever undermine what tatters remain of the rule of law in this country. It's probably not enough to save us, but there's at least a glimmer of hope, and seeing the enemedia squeal is a balm that gives some small comfort.

37 posted on 09/11/2023 10:38:13 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: RideForever
The gaslight is shining brightly!

They are what they pretend to oppose; they did what they denounce.

38 posted on 09/11/2023 10:41:34 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: RideForever

I think paying one woman to shut up so the candidate can be heard clearly is far less offensive than offering $10,000 voting bribes to millions of student loan debtors.


39 posted on 09/11/2023 10:57:01 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: RideForever

New Republic blocked my comment when I told them to watch 2000 Mules.


40 posted on 09/11/2023 10:59:05 AM PDT by Rappini ("No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation" MacArthr)
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