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Electric Vehicle Price War Looms With China
EuroWeekly News ^ | 08 September 2023 | Linda Hall

Posted on 09/08/2023 9:47:42 AM PDT by nickcarraway

THE approaching net zero ban on petrol and diesel vehicles could put Europe’s car firms at disadvantage compared with China.

Speaking to the Financial Times ahead of the annual IAA Mobility conference in Munich, Oliver Zipse, BMW’s chief executive, warned that European electric vehicle (EV) manufacturers could not compete with China over prices.

European Union plans to eliminate combustion engine vehicles are not welcomed by the car industry, which provides direct and indirect work for almost 14 million people.

Misgivings extend from inconsistent access to the raw materials necessary for making car batteries to concerns that charging infrastructure was still “far behind expectations.” Some countries have done nothing at all, Zipse said.

“The base car market segment will either vanish or will not be done by European manufacturers. I want to send a message: I see that as an imminent risk,” he said.

Factories in China were able to turn out EVs more cheaply than their rivals in Europe, Zipse declared.

Last year China produced EV’s for less than £27,300 (€32,000) compared to Europe’s €56,000 according to Jato Dynamics studies. The cheapest Chinese EV, the BYD Seagull, was selling in China for less than £8,000 (€9,348), while the Fiat 500 – the cheapest available in the UK – cost £28,195 (€32,934).

Zipse explained that he was more uneasy about the cheaper market, as manufacturers like BMW were in a better position to protect themselves, owing to their higher margins and brand image.

Under Zipse, BMW has also become a comparatively isolated supporter of hydrogen-powered cars as an alternative to battery-driven EVs as this technology is less reliant on lithium and other difficult-to-source battery parts.

Like Renault, BMW has announced that it would continue to market combustion engine vehicles outside Europe.

“If you want to be a participant in the 80 million worldwide car market, you have to do all technologies, otherwise you are not participating,” Zipse said to the Financial at the same time that the company presented a prototype for its Neue Klasse electric series, which is expected to begin production in 2025.


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1 posted on 09/08/2023 9:47:42 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Yeah, sure...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/02XJzJ-ivx8


2 posted on 09/08/2023 9:58:34 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: nickcarraway
The "you can't even give them away" price war?

3 posted on 09/08/2023 9:59:29 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: nickcarraway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD8qqEx4G18


4 posted on 09/08/2023 9:59:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: nickcarraway

As long as China controls the ‘rare earth’ battery market they can afford to give the cars away...


5 posted on 09/08/2023 10:00:38 AM PDT by GOPJ ( If diversity makes us stronger, why does it require lower standards? Daniel Greenfield )
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To: nickcarraway

If they were giving them away, I might take one to scavenge components for useful endeavors.


6 posted on 09/08/2023 10:11:55 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉)
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To: nickcarraway

Take the Chinese top half off, store it, put a European top half on, sell the result for a premium price and then sell the Chinese top half years later for Chinese model top replacement to cut off a future Chinese sale.


7 posted on 09/08/2023 10:29:18 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: nickcarraway

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/04/byds-seagull-starts-at-just-11300-and-has-sodium-ion-battery/

Just try fitting an average American into the tiny thing.


8 posted on 09/08/2023 10:33:23 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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Ooooh, a 70 hp engine, 190 mile range and only 1/2 hour to charge to 80%? Where do I sign up?

LOL. This thing's a freakin' golf-cart.
9 posted on 09/08/2023 10:38:33 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: GOPJ
As long as China controls the ‘rare earth’ battery market they can afford to give the cars away...

True that. And on that note, EV's and batteries are like oil and natural gas in that our #1 enemy is ourselves blocking mining of cobalt, nickel and lithium in the U.S. In a perfect world we'd drill baby drill and mine baby mine and let the free market choose what people drive and who best provide the energy.

10 posted on 09/08/2023 10:41:19 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: nickcarraway

Anybody dumb enough to buy a Chinese manufactured EV probably deserves one.


11 posted on 09/08/2023 11:22:03 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: nickcarraway

Companies in China make EVs abandon them in fields tell the government they sold them and the government gives them money , China is one big SCAM LOL


12 posted on 09/08/2023 11:23:04 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: GOPJ

If its like most industries of the past 30 years, Chinese companies over-invested in capacity, using state-run bank debt or local/provincial government debt/equity.

Many will go bankrupt, Chinese banks and local governments will bury the bad debt, and those producers that remain will be quite large, and lean and technology leaders - and be government favorites

As a communist-fascist form of economic planning, China is able to make it work for a few industries.


13 posted on 09/08/2023 11:27:15 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: nickcarraway

It’s hard to compete against subsidized products. Companies in the Chinese system are not intended to make a profit. They are intended to keep people employed. For China it’s all about social stability. Unemployed people create problems with social stability...riots, going on long walks together, etc. This is how the CCP came to be and they’re not about to give up power. Any product can be sold at any price without regard for its cost to produce. The Chinese intend to run the competition out of business so then they can charge whatever price they want. They tried to do this when the captured a huge percentage of the rare earth market. The problem for the Chinese is the rare earths are not rare. The reason they aren’t produced in other countries is because the process is VERY “dirty.” If you don’t care about the quality of the ground water and rivers, then that isn’t a problem. A typical process might involve six or more acid washes with progressively more toxic materials as waste. As soon as the Chinese tried to use their advantage it suddenly became possible to produce the metals elsewhere. (Yes, it can be done cleanly but it ain’t cheap.) The same can’t be said for starting a car factory. Once those go out of business, they’re probably out of business forever.


14 posted on 09/08/2023 11:28:45 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: Antoninus
Ooooh, a 70 hp engine, 190 mile range and only 1/2 hour to charge to 80%? Where do I sign up?
LOL. This thing's a freakin' golf-cart.

The Chinese are not stupid. I've always said there was a niche for EV's -- urban, short-range commuter cars -- and this pretty well covers it.

Stop trying to sell expensive, exotic long range road cruisers. That's for IC cars, at least for now.

I'm sure Harley and BSA and Triumph laughed when Honda imported those 50cc and 90cc microbikes into the USA in the 60's. Who's laughing now?

15 posted on 09/08/2023 11:31:32 AM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: nickcarraway

The EV market is about to release a BUNCH of cheap models.

Next year or so, we will likely see a number of models which will be very remarkable values. And the mechanics of EVs will continue to improve rapidly.

Keep watching.

More charging options, quicker chargers, and aggressively cheaper vehicles.


16 posted on 09/08/2023 11:56:45 AM PDT by cba123 (Tôi là người Mỹ. Hiện tôi đang ở Việt Nam)
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To: Tell It Right

We are our own worse enemies

It’s self inflicted

Nobody to blame but ourselves.

All in the name of environment.


17 posted on 09/08/2023 12:07:17 PM PDT by willWeEverBuildTheWall (Why have we never built the wall ?)
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To: Tell It Right

The key concept here is ‘rare earth elements’...

Putting them in disposable cars is nuts. These elements are the materials we MUST have for cellphones, missiles, and most of not all our high tech gear.

It’s like taking diamonds - that are relatively rare - and grinding them up to be used in paper plates to make them stronger and to sparkle. It’s that kind of stupidity.


18 posted on 09/08/2023 1:05:27 PM PDT by GOPJ ( If diversity makes us stronger, why does it require lower standards? Daniel Greenfield )
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To: nickcarraway

Chinese EVs are shit boxes.


19 posted on 09/08/2023 1:14:57 PM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: Revolutionary

Rolling crematoriums.


20 posted on 09/08/2023 1:16:33 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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