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To: Owen

So are you saying that all these people clearly are natural born citizens, eligible to be president or vice president?

If so then indeed the debate is over.

The reason for the ongoing debate is that many Freepers take the position, that both of your parents must have been citizens at the time of your birth, for you to be a natural born citizen.

If now we are saying, were the parents subject to US jurisdiction at the time of your birth, regardless of their citizenship status, then that changes things.

I don’t know if you have followed the Free Republic debate on this issue, but the key issue has been, were someone’s parents American citizens, and not just living in America and subject to US jurisdiction.

The criteria people use to evaluate this, will decide whether someone thinks these people are natural born citizens.

If everyone agreed that all are natural born citizens, there would not be ongoing debate on this site on this issue.


46 posted on 09/03/2023 4:08:43 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Freeper debate cannot undo the law unless they persuade Congress to change it.

Note that the first 9 presidents of the US were born outside US jurisdiction, because the US did not exist. They were born on US soil and qualify only from the clause “citizens at time of Constitution adoption”. Their parents were most certainly not citizens of the US and they were born outside US jurisdiction but qualified via the relevant clause.

I know there is some desire to outlaw illegal immigrants’ babies from citizenship via birthright, and God knows why since those people are nearly all devout South and Central American Catholics, anti abortion and would not vote Dem, but for some reason that’s the attitude.

But none of that matters. Jurisdiction is the key word. If you want it undone, you will have to pass laws, and that’s not going to happen.


47 posted on 09/03/2023 4:59:09 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Dilbert San Diego
... the key issue has been, were someone’s parents American citizens, and not just living in America and subject to US jurisdiction.

Indeed, that is the key issue. There is existing law on the matter and it can be found with a reading of the Constitution.

Those who drafted the Constitution and voted on its language thought the NBC requirement - to be applied only to our commander-in-chief and the VP and no one else - was a common-sense essential element of our national security. The language was included and accepted without debate.

They understood that at the beginning of our nation there would be no presidential candidates who were born to U.S. citizens. They therefore included specific language to the Constitution that would clarify that point.

Not everyone reads the document with understanding and others are willing overlook the NBC requirement for the sake of their own political agenda.

Every American, however, should consider the major political shift our nation has experienced in the past 15 years or so and wonder whether continuing to disregard the clause makes sense.

49 posted on 09/03/2023 6:40:44 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Open borders are the most cost-effective way to dilute a nation's culture, look around the globe. )
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