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"Why does the Never-Trump crowd, the earnest viewers of the Republican primary debate, believe that the tactics used against Donald Trump won’t be used against their preferred candidate? "

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That's been my question. The GOPe thinks that once the voters give up on Trump and vote for the establishment's preferred candidate, then the "war" against conservatives, being waged by both parties, will stop. All will return to "normal" as soon as conservatives surrender.

Do they really think that the left progressives will stop? Surely not, so what is their plan? They do not have one. Once you throw in with the enemy, as the GOP has, they own you.

So basically, to surrender to the GOP establishment is to surrender to the progressive Marxists.

1 posted on 08/30/2023 8:30:53 AM PDT by CFW
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“the Democrat machine is utterly efficient and capable”

Said no one ever about anything except voter fraud.

it seems strange that they fail so miserably at everything else except this one thing


2 posted on 08/30/2023 8:35:11 AM PDT by algore
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If Democrats didn’t go at a non Trump candidate as hard as they have against him, who in the base would not have grave doubts about the Republican? I am sure the DeSantis bots would always say he can do no wrong.

Why single out Nikki but not Asa, Scott or others with similar poll numbers?

3 posted on 08/30/2023 8:37:00 AM PDT by newzjunkey (We need a better Trump than Trump in 2024)
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They’re either stupid or part of the corruption

I’ve no use for them


4 posted on 08/30/2023 8:38:03 AM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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“All will return to “normal” as soon as conservatives surrender.”


That is exactly what it is. If Repubs return to UniParty candidates like Haley, they get to win occasionally.

Because it preserves Regime legitimacy and fools BoomerCons into supporting “The Constitution” and the continuation of this farce.


5 posted on 08/30/2023 8:40:28 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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It’s been said, and it’s true: the whole thing is an IQ test.

Nothing personal. Simply the objective truth.


6 posted on 08/30/2023 8:41:28 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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There’s the problem with the implied premise that the Never-Trumpers are fighting for at least a similar Constitutional cause — they’re not. It’s all for show — a political pageant.


7 posted on 08/30/2023 8:44:37 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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Ron DeSantis is slightly less damaged by the media than Trump. The Trump haters will be less likely to vote. Trump cost loses on 2018, 2020 and 2022 by backing remarkably bad candidates and his failure to cleanup elections. DeSantis xleaned up elections in Broward and Dade counties and we now have a republican mayor in Miami! Trump appointed Tillerson, Millie, Barr, Wray and Powell! Those are unforgettable! He even agreed to a budget with no wall funding or the wall would be finished!


9 posted on 08/30/2023 8:46:04 AM PDT by Dan Walsh
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We are Gabon now. Brandon is Bongo, who is mentally deficient - and now gone from the scene.


10 posted on 08/30/2023 8:47:26 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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Just out of curiosity, do you think Dems stole he 2008 and 2012 election? Do you McCain and Romney were the true winners?


11 posted on 08/30/2023 8:49:26 AM PDT by DavidThomas
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Speaking here in the heart of Michigulag, where I am quite certain that Trump won in 2020 quite handily were it not for Dominion and a host of ground shenanigans in large Dem precincts... much of which was publicly knowable at the time and worthy of the RINOs who had the majority in our Legislature to investigate before they met to certify Electors in December 2020. They rolled over and remained supine except for a handful. The Fix was clearly in as no one even in my Dem-dominated neighborhood had a Biden sign, just local candidates.
Election Integrity was a major issue in 2016 as the Dems were screaming bloody murder that Michigan Electors should vote for Hillary, not the winner, Trump. Now you can go to jail if you protest the results when the Dems win thru fraud. I guess that’s why Tudor and Ryan Kelley and the former Police Chief and the Billionaire are silent on the Fraud. DJT said he was going to have Election Integrity top on his list and then proceeded to disband his appointed commission and adopted none of its excellent recommendations. Then he really sold out our country with the Planned Scamdemic in 2020 etc etc etc.
2020 was a Coup d’etat of our Constitutional Republic by our Govt.Tools at all levels. There will be no more [S]Elections for me.


14 posted on 08/30/2023 9:01:46 AM PDT by Sioux-san (NONE OF THE ABOVE)
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The only way to stop the weaponization of the justice system against Republicans is to do it to democrats. Republican district attorneys in conservative districts around the county need to be empaneling grand juries to investigate ways to indict the Biden crime family nationwide, using the same BS legal theories that the far-left DA’s have been using against Trump.

Democrats never think that “what goes around comes around” applies to them until it actually comes around to them.


16 posted on 08/30/2023 9:05:34 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy ( Dementia Joe is Not My President)
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Why does the Never-Trump crowd, the earnest viewers of the Republican primary debate, believe that the tactics used against Donald Trump won’t be used against their preferred candidate?

Because they get their "news" from the regular "main stream" news-liars, and they are dumb enough to believe them.

The idea that people hate Trump is entirely the product of fabrications by the media-liar-system.

Republicans who are only concerned with "winning" and who take these assertions at face value, resent Trump because they believe the media lies that *HE* is the problem.

They are too naive to realize the media-liars will make up crap about anyone they see as a threat, and they will do the same to *ANY* other candidate, including DeSantis, whom they've already started to attack.

20 posted on 08/30/2023 9:17:34 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Never-Trumper thinking isn’t magical, it’s retarded.


24 posted on 08/30/2023 9:29:07 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell>)
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I am totally onboard with the belief that the Rats will win every major election by just enough votes needed by multiple forms of fraud.

However, what gives me just a bit of pause is, if they were confident in their ability to steal why go after Trump? why fear him? Why not just mock him? - I can only guess its because they fear his ability to draw more than they can even cheat.


25 posted on 08/30/2023 9:30:09 AM PDT by TiGuy22
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Why don’t the other Republican candidates believe that they’ll be subjected to the same kind of treatment when they get close to winning?

Because those republican'ts are on the same side as the leftists, so they know they may be "allowed" to "win", to continue the kabuki theater of opposition to the leftists.

26 posted on 08/30/2023 9:34:10 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell>)
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The GOPe thinks that once the voters give up on Trump and vote for the establishment's preferred candidate, then the "war" against conservatives, being waged by both parties, will stop. All will return to "normal" as soon as conservatives surrender.

No one is planning on surrendering. We just want someone who can actually stand up to what's going on. Trump is like a beaten and battered old boxer sitting in his corner dreading the next court bell to ring. All caps whines and mean looking mug shots aren't getting anything of significance done. He needs to act above the fray and create/do something of value, not just kick up more crap constantly, which only makes his situation worse.

so what is their plan? They do not have one. Once you throw in with the enemy, as the GOP has, they own you.

Make America Florida is the plan I like. DeSantis has destroyed the liberals here, they are so disheartened they are even leaving the state now. He's almost single handedly destroyed Disney too. And shut down grooming in schools, vaccine and mask mandates, even gain of function. Has fired some Soros funded prosecutors too. How in the world you can call what he's done "thowing in with the enemy" I have no idea.

30 posted on 08/30/2023 9:46:39 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Jesus 2024)
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I wrote this months ago in my substack, that the DemoKKKrats new strategy is “indictfare.” They would use it against DeSoros (”child kidnapping”) against White Lizzo (”Bridgegate”), against Nick Knack Paddywhack Give a Uke a Bomb for “war crimes.” They already have the indictments drawn up.


32 posted on 08/30/2023 10:18:16 AM PDT by LS
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Bingo!

Even lefties like the donut king will see a stop to his hagiographic slobbering by the media, were to, God forbid, end up on the ticket.

Cluelessness is the de facto top plank of the GOP platform.


35 posted on 08/30/2023 11:06:54 AM PDT by DPMD (ua)
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"The GOPe thinks that once the voters give up on Trump and vote for the establishment's preferred candidate..."

I will never hold my nose and vote for any GOPe candidate who I know will stab me in the back. I will simply continue to write Trump's name in for as long as I'm alive to do so. I don't care if he's dead. I'll still write his name in.

After January 6th, I ended my 40+ year Republican registration, and went to "no party." I will never register as a Republican ever again. If Trump isn't the candidate in 2024, every Trump supporter who is registered as a Republican, should change their affiliation to "no party" en masse.

36 posted on 08/30/2023 11:11:50 AM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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The GOPe thinks that once the voters give up on Trump and vote for the establishment's preferred candidate, then the "war" against conservatives, being waged by both parties, will stop. All will return to "normal" as soon as conservatives surrender.

Brother, you are beating my drum. We are in a whole new soviet America and pushing Trump aside isn't going to return us to the sunny days of Reagan.

We saw the democrap/media complex bury both romney and mccain under the "literally hitler" fusillades. The demoncraps fight dirty and the fight to win. The GOPe just wants to be the cuck in the room.

Trump fights. Right now against the combined forces of WEF, the deep state, DNC, media, corporatists, education politburo, DOJ, you name it.

And the latest McLauglin polling shows him gaining support for 2024.

America loves an underdog who fights. He's our David against the pedo cabal Goliath.

40 posted on 08/30/2023 11:23:15 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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