Biden suggests Putin could be behind Russian plane crash

The Hill ^ | 08/23/2023 | Alex Gangitano

[ChicagoConservative27]

President Biden on Wednesday suggested Russian President Vladimir Putin could be behind the plane crash in Russia that had Wagner Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin listed as a passenger.

“There’s not much that happens in Russia that Putin’s not behind,” Biden told reporters.

President Biden on Wednesday suggested Russian President Vladimir Putin could be behind the plane crash in Russia that had Wagner Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin listed as a passenger.

“There’s not much that happens in Russia that Putin’s not behind,” Biden told reporters.

[kiryandil]

Liar. In posts #137, #135 and #129 you called them "vaporware".

Post my entire posts in those links to show where I am "asserting that F-16 deliveries won't happen."

You won't - because like all neoconneds, you're a liar.

We're only at 160 posts. My personal record for a give-and-take like this is somewhere around 560 posts.

We only have 400 posts to go.

At a couple of posts per day, the Ukie army will be crushed into the final rotting burger patties by the Russians when we arrive at that point a few months from now, like the F-16 wannabe pilot, "Juice", who has now been juiced by his own guys.

Blue skies and tailwinds and a side of fries, Juice. RIPieces

[kiryandil]

"They’ve just been given more F-16s than they had MiG-29s and Su-27s"

Day 4 of no F-16 delivery [08-28-2023], contrary to the hopium posted by some Ukie cheerleaders.

Also, the Ukie Air Force is suddenly light 3 veteran pilots as of Friday. "Juice" is now the Ghost of Juice.

[Gunslingr3]

Back on forth on one question won't make me forget the others you're afraid to answer. The list will just grow to the size of your intellectual cowardice. Let's find out how big that is, shall we?

Post my entire posts in those links to show where I am "asserting that F-16 deliveries won't happen."

You won't...

No need. I've done one better than that. I've provided the links so anyone can click them and read your comments calling the F-16s given to Ukraine "vaporware". Unlike you I don't make up words and attribute them to others. You can't edit the links and hide what you wrote.

99.8th percentile in English

Then explain the difference between the words "give" and "delivery".

The first is what I wrote, the second is your strawman, can you explain how they differ?

There is no quote by me asserting that F-16 deliveries won't happen.

Liar. In posts #137, #135 and #129 you called them "vaporware". I've had an over two decade career in IT, and that term has a meaning:

In the computer industry, vaporware is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is late, never actually manufactured, or officially cancelled.

You're probably not stupid enough to assert the F-16s that Denmark and Norway have given to Ukraine were never manufactured, do you want to assert that the transfer will be officially cancelled? Or is this another English term you struggle to effectively understand in context?

You say a lot of stupid things. I'm trying to pin down why you say them. Why bring up a proposed 8x artillery advantage, if it doesn't translate to any advantage on the battlefield?

You still have no answers, because answering the questions exposes your fantasies don't match the on the ground reality of Russian retreats since March of '22.

You ducked the questions again, you feckless coward.

We're observing a peer-to-peer war in The Ukraine, where the PEER adversaries are slugging it out like an Irish stand-down. Only Russia has an 8 to 1 advantage in artillery, and has totally degraded the Ukrainian air defense system.

If Russia still possesses an 8-1 advantage, why do you consider Ukraine their peer? Shouldn't the side with 8x the artillery be considerably superior to the side that has only 1/8th the artillery? You have no answers.

Why, with this presumed enormous artillery advantage, did the Russians find themselves forced back from Nikolaev into a "futile" position in Kherson where they were forced to flee across the river? You have no answers.

How bad does the Russian army suck to possess an 8-1 advantage in artillery and still get forced into retreat after retreat by the foe you started the war with? You have no answers.

Why do you think that is happening to the Russian forces if they possess this massive superiority in arms? Are they not even 1/8th as competent as the Ukrainians? You have no answers.

What's the reason for their repeated reversals and retreats from "futile" fighting positions in Ukraine? You have no answers.

How do you explain it to yourself? You have no answers.

Can you explain now how you'll pivot when the F-16s are delivered like the other promised weapon systems have been? Will you try to convince yourself that Ukraine is worse off replacing Soviet Cold War gear with NATO Cold War gear? How will you spin it to yourself? You have no answers.

I predict you'll evade and spin, and refuse to address these questions because you actually have no answer. There is no explanation for what is happening in reality juxtaposed with your fantasies about Russian combat strength.

I’m not going to quit putting your intellectual cowardice on display by posing these questions you’re too afraid to answer every time you interact with me. When F-16 deliveries take place I’ll be sure to include your quotes asserting it won’t happen. Any other predictions you want to make now for me to include?

[Bulwyf]

I don’t put up with anyone here, I’m confrontational and hurting a lot of feelings very often.

[kiryandil]

LOL!

I love the smart Canadians, like you.  

[Bulwyf]

Are you a mental midget? A simple yes or no will suffice.

[kiryandil]

posted 24/8/2023:

"They’ve just been given more F-16s than they had MiG-29s and Su-27s"

Day 5 of no F-16 delivery [29-08-2023], contrary to the hopium posted by some Ukie cheerleaders.

In today's update, the Ukie Air Force has been relieved of a couple of Su-25 pilots by the Russian air defense over Mala Tokmachka and over Novodanylivka.

The pressure from The Ukraine's US-NATO handlers to break through near Robotyne is costing Vlod the Impaled some of his future F-16 pilots. It is to laugh.

Today's report from Robotyne was released by the DPA War Channel at around noon EDT:

STUCK IN ROBOTYNE - Ukraine Summary D550-551 [4:22 long]
12:30pm EDT / 29-08-2023 by Wyatt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5IYrVVMiBk

[cabojoe]

If the hopium priapism lasts more than 5 days the cheerleader will need emergency care.

[kiryandil]

I'm thinking the Western war sponsors are gonna need to start promising to send pilots with the F-16s, when the F-16s get delivered in 2024 or 2025...  

[delta7]

When I was working in Moscow I visited the MiG plants , what I learned. As ratty as the Migs are said to be, they can do an engine swap in less than 8 hours, in the field. Designed to be supported and operated in the field, unlike western aircraft, a big, big plus.

More, but my money goes on “ Vlad’s rusty old equipment “, just a comment from one who has been there.I will further “ forecast”, as with the Ukie failed offensive- we will see smoldering F-16’s AND M1’s ( IF they ever arrive in theatre).

[kiryandil]

The war cheerleaders at CNN: But just when the F-16s will fly combat missions is at the mercy of many variables – training programs which are only now getting underway, getting support infrastructure in place, the type of weaponry deployed. There’s a delicate balance between the urgent need to get the F-16 into Ukrainian colors and the thorough preparations required to make the most of the aircraft.

[cabojoe]

Air Force tests remote-controlled F-16 (as target)

Ukraine could just do this and save themselves a lot of grief . (When they ever arrive via UPS)

[delta7]

https://militaryland.net/maps/deployment-map/

A western source, but it gives you the picture. Detailed units, composition, etc….all I can say…good luck to the Green Ukie up in age Territorial units against Ivan’s motorized and tank brigades. When one learns about the size and “ breadth” of those pesky red symbols, one thing is obvious:

Ukraine 1991-2023, when Vlad decides, not the collective West.

[Allegra]

Day 5 of no F-16 delivery [29-08-2023], contrary to the hopium posted by some Ukie cheerleaders.

Slava slippery slope! 😱

[Gunslingr3]

You again?

Ready to answer the questions you keep ducking? I guess so if you are contacting me.

I predict you will still refuse to answer my questions, nor explain the difference between the words "give" and "delivery". You can't explain that difference because it blows up your semantics strawman, and you know it. That's why you're a dishonest person.

99.8th percentile in English

Then explain the difference between the words "give" and "delivery".

The first is what I wrote, the second is your strawman, can you explain how they differ?

There is no quote by me asserting that F-16 deliveries won't happen.

Liar. In posts #137, #135 and #129 you called them "vaporware". I've had an over two decade career in IT, and that term has a meaning:

In the computer industry, vaporware is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is late, never actually manufactured, or officially cancelled.

You're probably not stupid enough to assert the F-16s that Denmark and Norway have given to Ukraine were never manufactured, do you want to assert that the transfer will be officially cancelled? Or is this another English term you struggle to effectively understand in context?

You say a lot of stupid things. I'm trying to pin down why you say them. Why bring up a proposed 8x artillery advantage, if it doesn't translate to any advantage on the battlefield?

You still have no answers, because answering the questions exposes your fantasies don't match the on the ground reality of Russian retreats since March of '22.

You ducked the questions again, you feckless coward.

We're observing a peer-to-peer war in The Ukraine, where the PEER adversaries are slugging it out like an Irish stand-down. Only Russia has an 8 to 1 advantage in artillery, and has totally degraded the Ukrainian air defense system.

If Russia still possesses an 8-1 advantage, why do you consider Ukraine their peer? Shouldn't the side with 8x the artillery be considerably superior to the side that has only 1/8th the artillery? You have no answers.

Why, with this presumed enormous artillery advantage, did the Russians find themselves forced back from Nikolaev into a "futile" position in Kherson where they were forced to flee across the river? You have no answers.

How bad does the Russian army suck to possess an 8-1 advantage in artillery and still get forced into retreat after retreat by the foe you started the war with? You have no answers.

Why do you think that is happening to the Russian forces if they possess this massive superiority in arms? Are they not even 1/8th as competent as the Ukrainians? You have no answers.

What's the reason for their repeated reversals and retreats from "futile" fighting positions in Ukraine? You have no answers.

How do you explain it to yourself? You have no answers.

Can you explain now how you'll pivot when the F-16s are delivered like the other promised weapon systems have been? Will you try to convince yourself that Ukraine is worse off replacing Soviet Cold War gear with NATO Cold War gear? How will you spin it to yourself? You have no answers.

I predict you'll evade and spin, and refuse to address these questions because you actually have no answer. There is no explanation for what is happening in reality juxtaposed with your fantasies about Russian combat strength.

I’m not going to quit putting your intellectual cowardice on display by posing these questions you’re too afraid to answer every time you interact with me. When F-16 deliveries take place I’ll be sure to include your quotes asserting it won’t happen. Any other predictions you want to make now for me to include?

[kiryandil]

As I pointed out before, you're lying when you say that I asserted that F-16 deliveries wouldn't happen.

You refused to post the entirety of MY posts - only the supposed links - so you could continue lying about it.

"Denmark will deliver 19 jets in total with the initial six due around the end of the year, followed by eight in 2024 and five in 2025, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said on Aug 20."

     

The Ukrainian General staff of the Armed Forces has killed 5 of its prospective F-16 pilots since Friday. It became an ace in less than a week!

[cabojoe]

[kiryandil]

posted 24/8/2023:

"They’ve just been given more F-16s than they had MiG-29s and Su-27s"

Day 6 of no F-16 delivery [30-08-2023], contrary to the hopium posted by some Ukie cheerleaders.

In today's update:

Denmark will deliver 19 jets in total with the initial six due around the end of the year, followed by eight in 2024 and five in 2025

There is another wrinkle in plans to deliver the planes. The United States must give approval before other countries can send American-made jets to Ukraine. The Biden administration has signaled to Denmark, Norway and the Netherlands that it will allow the transfers, but a new president could reverse those case-by-case agreements if delivery has not yet been completed, according to a U.S. official.

Today's report from Robotyne was released by the DPA War Channel at around noon EDT:

Verbove, Robotyne, Pryyutne, Urozhaine : Zaporizhzhia Front Summary - Ukraine Summary D552 [8:50 long]
2:15pm EDT / 30-08-2023 by Wyatt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psub_MuzUVk

[cabojoe]

Ukrainian pilot, call sign "Grifter", gets ready for takeoff in not his F-16. The aircraft sort of belongs to the chick in the back, who seems surprised that he is not controlling the plane with his hands or feet...

[kiryandil]

posted 24/8/2023:

"They’ve just been given more F-16s than they had MiG-29s and Su-27s"

Day 7 of no F-16 delivery [31-08-2023], contrary to the hopium posted by some Ukie cheerleaders.

There will be six F-16s from Denmark at the end of December 2023 - four months from now.

Hopefully for the Ukies, the Ukie high command won't keep killing off future Ukrainian F-16 pilots for the propaganda war...