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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What a weak article. The real causes:
1. The pineapple plantation companies left Maui.
2. The pineapple fields were no longer irrigated and fell into ruin.
3. Non-native, highly flammable invasive grasses took over the fields.
4. Nobody was responsible for controlling the explosive growth of the grasses.
5. The tall, combustible grasses grew right up to the edge of Lahaina.
6. The government did not demand fuel load reduction programs.
7. The government KNEW of the fire hazard posed by the grasses and did nothing.
8. The government run warning system that falsely alarmed incoming Russian nuclear attack failed to go off.


3 posted on 08/14/2023 3:33:54 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (We are proles, they are nobility.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I’ve read that the fire caused residential water lines to leak, causing a reduction of water pressure to fire hydrants.

Water shutoff values could be be spring-loaded to close and only held open by plastic that would melt in a fire.

Swimming pools could be hooked up to irrigation systems and the fire department could could turn pumps on.


9 posted on 08/14/2023 3:58:16 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Article II, Section 2: "The President...may require the opinion, in writing,...upon any subject...")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

What a weak article. The real causes:
1. The pineapple plantation companies left Maui.
2. The pineapple fields were no longer irrigated and fell into ruin.
3. Non-native, highly flammable invasive grasses took over the fields.
4. Nobody was responsible for controlling the explosive growth of the grasses.
5. The tall, combustible grasses grew right up to the edge of Lahaina.
6. The government did not demand fuel load reduction programs.
7. The government KNEW of the fire hazard posed by the grasses and did nothing.
8. The government run warning system that falsely alarmed incoming Russian nuclear attack failed to go off.


Pretty much lines up with what the article says, government was the real problem.


13 posted on 08/14/2023 4:05:58 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

To be fair, it was North Korean...


15 posted on 08/14/2023 4:10:28 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

You would think that people spending so much time concerned about global warming would spend a little time concerned about non-native plants that can cause huge problems growing in the wrong place.


16 posted on 08/14/2023 4:11:32 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Right now they’re blaming the power company and climate change. That’s their story and they’ll stick to it.


17 posted on 08/14/2023 4:11:46 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

What a weak article. The real causes:
1. The pineapple plantation companies left Maui.
2. The pineapple fields were no longer irrigated and fell into ruin.
3. Non-native, highly flammable invasive grasses took over the fields.
4. Nobody was responsible for controlling the explosive growth of the grasses.
5. The tall, combustible grasses grew right up to the edge of Lahaina.
6. The government did not demand fuel load reduction programs.
7. The government KNEW of the fire hazard posed by the grasses and did nothing.
8. The government run warning system that falsely alarmed incoming Russian nuclear attack failed to go off.


Pretty good list but I would change 6 to say the government blocked fuel load reduction problems in the name of “environmentalism”. We see this all over the left coast. It sounds like a Canadian company purchased much of the farmland there and its just sitting - maybe Hawaii should think about requiring them to maintain the land?

However, unlike many here and in conservative media (seemingly) I am not sure about the conspiracy ideas being floated for the fire. When you have that kind of windspeed it is inevitable that you will have tree tops and large branches flying out of trees. When they make contact with two power lines you create a burning branch and/or arc severing of the transmission lines. In the conditions you accurately describe that will result in a fire.

The height of the dry grasses and unkempt overgrown fields means you will get one helluva fire and spot fires in front of the fire front. It’s an ugly scene.


23 posted on 08/14/2023 4:27:40 PM PDT by volunbeer (We are living 2nd Thessalonians)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

What did the article mean by this?

“...nor, perhaps most importantly, did it cause the government to not prepare to fight such fires with the huge fuel buildup it allowed”


24 posted on 08/14/2023 4:28:15 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

What Russian nuclear attack?


25 posted on 08/14/2023 4:29:32 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

This is a brilliant description of the bureaucratic response of all governments (local-to-federal-to-planetary) to any potential type of “potential” disaster...

The “climate-change” card is equivalent to the “race” card...


31 posted on 08/14/2023 4:44:03 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Awesomely summarized.


39 posted on 08/14/2023 6:43:28 PM PDT by drwoof
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Brilliant synopsis. But #6? What is the benefit and meaning of “fuel load reduction”?


42 posted on 08/14/2023 7:39:08 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("She looks like she's 19 years old, sitting there like a lady with her lbegs crossed." Creepy Joe)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Oops. #37! lol


44 posted on 08/14/2023 7:43:25 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("She looks like she's 19 years old, sitting there like a lady with her lbegs crossed." Creepy Joe)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

your whole list hinges on the root cause, why did pineapple plantation companies leave maui?

taxes drove them elsewhere? worker issues? fields no longer good to grow them for some reason?


45 posted on 08/14/2023 7:47:24 PM PDT by b4me
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