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Trump sought to ‘exploit the violence and chaos’ of Jan. 6 with lies, indictment says
CNBC ^ | August 2, 2023 | by Kevin Breuninger

Posted on 08/02/2023 5:26:54 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

WASHINGTON — Former President Donald Trump was criminally charged Tuesday with illegally conspiring to overturn his election loss to President Joe Biden in 2020.

Trump was indicted on four federal felony charges that centered on his alleged efforts to discount legitimate votes in the 2020 presidential race and subvert the election itself.

An attorney who is representing former President Donald Trump in his latest federal criminal indictment vowed to use the charges to “re-litigate every single issue in the 2020 election in the context of this litigation.”

The case gives Trump “an opportunity that he has never had before, which is to have subpoena power since January 6 in a way that can be exercised in federal court,” attorney John Lauro said in a Fox News interview.

Lauro’s comments suggest that the former president’s legal strategy in this case could include an attempt by his lawyers to portray Trump’s myriad false claims of widespread election fraud in late 2020 as legitimate concerns at the time, regardless of whether or not they were correct.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: witchhunt
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1 posted on 08/02/2023 5:26:54 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

All it takes is a jury like the one OJ had.


2 posted on 08/02/2023 5:28:29 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (e allowed )
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To: DIRTYSECRET

We need loser pays laws.


3 posted on 08/02/2023 5:29:02 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (e allowed )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

TRUMP LAWYER LAURO: Trump will subpoena everyone to prove his innocence. This includes subpoenaing Mark Zuckerberg who provided the “Zuck Bucks” and the 51 former intelligence officers who claimed the Laptop from Hell was Russian disinformation. No stone will be left unturned.

7:58 AM · Aug 2, 2023


4 posted on 08/02/2023 5:30:24 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

5 posted on 08/02/2023 5:31:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Perfect timing. These phonyass ham sandwiches only happened now to take the spotlight and heat off the Bidenskyyyy crime family. Those criminals have been catching hell recently as their crimes catch up with them. This “indictment” BS is a far left fraud. A scheme by their facist, communist government.


6 posted on 08/02/2023 5:32:09 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("There's no cryin' in baseball and there's no ethics in politics!" )
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Yup! I think it’s way overdue in this greedy, lawsuit hungry third world country. Everybody wants to sit on their ass and get rich.


7 posted on 08/02/2023 5:33:25 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("There's no cryin' in baseball and there's no ethics in politics!" )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If ‘exploiting violence chaos with lies’ is a crime, every politician in America would be wearing an orange jump suit.


8 posted on 08/02/2023 5:33:49 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Let's make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd,". "And you push back on them. And you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere. We've got to get the children connected to their parents."

"They're not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they're not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they're not going to be able to shop at a department store, the people are going to turn on them, they're going to protest, they're going to absolutely harass them...

Well with language like this you can see why Trump was indicted over January 6th!

9 posted on 08/02/2023 5:33:52 AM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: BenLurkin

Another.couple of hockey sticks. Imagine that…


10 posted on 08/02/2023 5:34:04 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Was reading in Amos this morning when the chapter looked at the wicked King Amaziah, who tried to falsely accuse Amos of trying to cite an Insurrection. Well, long story short, God intervened and caused Amaziah to suffer the consequences that he had pronounced on Amos... the following commentary by Clark showed that what Trump is suffering today by being falsely accused has happened in the past too.

“i. “Hireling priests of this kind have ever been the great enemies of the true prophets of God; and when they could bring no charge of false doctrine or immorality against them, have accused them of conspiring against the government; and because they have preached against sin, have held them up as exciting insurrection among the people.” (Clarke)”

May the left’s deceitful attacks and accusations and false indictments hit the liberal party and cause them to suffer what they intended for Trump and his supporters to suffer I stead!


11 posted on 08/02/2023 5:35:54 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

These people sure don’t act like they think they will ever lose power


12 posted on 08/02/2023 5:36:37 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wrong Think, coming your way.


13 posted on 08/02/2023 5:38:35 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Whatever happened to never let a crisis go to waste?!


14 posted on 08/02/2023 5:39:11 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: V_TWIN

Very true- thye are cramping all over our justice system, our constitution and our laws, and daring anyone to do anything about it, and when the right protests, like,on jan 6, they arrest them and throw them into so,Italy for years on end with no trial.


15 posted on 08/02/2023 5:40:11 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: McGruff

This needs to be long and very ugly for everyone involved in the steal. Let’s see if the affirmative action judge allows it.


16 posted on 08/02/2023 5:40:41 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The Delay Trump’s trial, delay. Elect Trump President. Trump pardons himself. )
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These people sure don’t act like they think they will ever lose power

They're not planning to. I guarantee that if the vote totals don't add up in 2024 the way the Democrats want, Kamala Harris will declare the electors invalid in favor of a slate put together by Joe Biden.
17 posted on 08/02/2023 5:41:29 AM PDT by Observator
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

‘exploit the violence and chaos’

They mean the fed-instigated violence & chaos?

Please, Russia: Keep your word.


18 posted on 08/02/2023 5:44:24 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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Jack Smith’s Prosecution Of Trump Has A Major First Amendment Problem, Legal Experts Say
Daily Caller ^ | August 01, 2023 8:42 PM ET | KATELYNN RICHARDSON
Posted on 8/2/2023, 8:42:44 AM by Red Badger

Legal experts reacted to former President Donald Trump’s third indictment Tuesday, sounding the alarm on how the indictment against his alleged attempt to overturn the 2020 election prosecutes protected speech.

Trump was charged Tuesday with one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States, one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, one count of conspiracy against rights and one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, according to the indictment. Legal experts said the charges are built on speech protected by the First Amendment.

George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley said Smith issued “the first criminal indictment of alleged disinformation.” “If you take a red pen to all of the material presumptively protected by the First Amendment, you can reduce much of the indictment to haiku,” he said. “I felt that the Mar-a-Lago indictment was strong. This is the inverse.”

Turley also said on Fox News the indictment is “unfair at points,” noting that it “quotes Trump in his speech about encouraging people to go to Capitol Hill, but like the January 6th committee, it omits where he says, ‘you should go peacefully.’”

The indictment states that Trump “had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won” but then states he “also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting election results.”

Lawyer and Townhall columnist Kurt Schlichter called the indictment “45 pages of First Amendment protected activity.” “It’s 45 pages of First Amendment protected activity broken up by four captions listing conspiracy statutes that do not apply,” he tweeted. “It’s not a conspiracy to use free speech and attempt to participate in the political system no matter how badly our garbage elite wants it to be.” (RELATED: ‘Reduces To A Haiku’: Jonathan Turley Says Many Of The Charges In Trump’s Jan. 6 Indictment Are ‘Protected Speech’)

Former New York federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy said Smith had to stretch the statutes to capture Trump’s behavior. “[Smith] has extravagantly stretched these statues in order to try and capture this behavior and that’s because this is a proxy for what should have been a political impeachment process they’re leaving to the criminal justice system, the failure of Congress to carry out a successful impeachment,” McCarthy said.

“If you’ve got evidence that Trump committed incitement, then charge him with incitement,” he continued, adding that they “don’t have a prayer of a case like that.”

Constitutional lawyer Robert Barnes tweeted the indictment “threatens core First Amendment freedoms in an unprecedented manner, by making legal advocacy a crime, advocacy to Congress a crime, advocacy to courts a crime, advocacy to the public a crime.”


19 posted on 08/02/2023 5:48:33 AM PDT by Liz (More tears are shed over answered prayers than over unanswered ones. St Teresa of Avila)
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The underlying premise of this indictment takes us all the way back to Watergate, and maybe to Dallas, and that premise is an edit to Article II, section 1, so it now reads: "The Executive power shall [NOT] be vested in a President of the United States of America".

Under the unitary Executive design, Donald Trump could not lie to himself. Any officers holding his commission or warrant would have been bound to OBEY him (excluding only Pence) and to carry out any orders or directives he might provide them with.

Watergate, and probably Dallas as well, were examples of officers inferior to, and under obedience to, the President acting on their own to frustrate and overturn him, and this was of course the whole story of Donald Trump's four years in office, as well.

20 posted on 08/02/2023 5:48:47 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Make the GOP illegal - everything else will follow)
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