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To: DiogenesLamp
The Bingham quote in your tagline has nothing to do with th 14th Amendment. It pertains to the Civil Rights Act of 1866.

If you say so.

NO. Not if I say so.

I'm not going to look it up because I no longer have the zeal I used to have.

I spared you the trouble in my #32. I linked, cited, and quoted the Congressional Globe. Your Bingham quote was highlighted in blue font and underlined. Bingham argued that th Civil Rightsd Act was UNCONSTITUTIONAL.You exhibit precisely that amount of zeal consistently. https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4169134/posts?page=32#32

I will inform you that the citizenship clause was an amendment initated in the Senate by Senator Jacob Howard. Bingham's draft did not even have a citizenship clause.

The Bingham quote in your tagline has nothing to do with th 14th Amendment. It pertains to the Civil Rights Act of 1866. In the following three sentences, Bingham argued that the CRA was unconstitutional.

https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=332

Congressional Globe, House of Representatives, 39th Congress, 1st Session, March 9, 1866, pg. 1291

Has the Congress of the United States the power to pass and enforce the bill as it comes to us from the committee? Has the Congress of the United States the power to declare, as this bill does declare, in the words which I propose to strike out, that there shall be no discrim­ination of civil rights among citizens of the United States in any State of the United States, on account of race, color, or previous condition of slavery.

I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Consti­tution itself, a natural-born citizen; but, sir, I may be allowed to say further, that I deny that the Congress of the United States ever had the power or color of power to say that any man born within the jurisdiction of the United States, not owing a foreign allegiance, is not and shall not be a citizen of the United States. Citizen­ship is his birthright, and neither the Congress nor the States can justly or lawfully take it from him. But while this is admitted, can you declare by congressional enactment as to citi­zens of the United States within the States that there shall be no discrimination among them of civil rights?

Obviously, John Bingham was talking about a bill and not about the Fourteenth Amendment which was not even introduced for consideration until several months later.


98 posted on 07/22/2023 6:27:43 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher
Obviously, John Bingham was talking about a bill and not about the Fourteenth Amendment which was not even introduced for consideration until several months later.

Clearly this point is important to you, while I don't care at all if it's from the debates on the 14th or the Civil Rights act of 1866.

The information it contains is still the same. So far as John Bingham was concerned, children born in the US were citizens so long as they were born "of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty."

And Bingham said similar things in the 14th amendment debates. If you feel strongly about it, I will go to the trouble of looking them up, but it is annoying to have to trudge through all that to find them.

As with the McCain thing, I regard the focus on where and when John Bingham said this particular thing to be irrelevant to the more significant fact that this was his position on the matter of children born in this country to aliens.

111 posted on 07/24/2023 9:53:57 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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