Clearly this point is important to you, while I don't care at all if it's from the debates on the 14th or the Civil Rights act of 1866.
The information it contains is still the same. So far as John Bingham was concerned, children born in the US were citizens so long as they were born "of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty."
And Bingham said similar things in the 14th amendment debates. If you feel strongly about it, I will go to the trouble of looking them up, but it is annoying to have to trudge through all that to find them.
As with the McCain thing, I regard the focus on where and when John Bingham said this particular thing to be irrelevant to the more significant fact that this was his position on the matter of children born in this country to aliens.
Obviously, John Bingham was talking about a bill and not about the Fourteenth Amendment which was not even introduced for consideration until several months later.Clearly this point is important to you, while I don't care at all if it's from the debates on the 14th or the Civil Rights act of 1866.
If you recall YOUR WORDS at #23:
If you will notice my tagline, I will inform you that those are the words of John Bingham, primary proponent of the 14th amendment in the Congress. It comes from the debates on the 14th amendment, and he clarifies what group of people are to be covered under the 14th amendment.
It is only your fault that you have a ridiculous tagline which you accredit to the debates on the 14th Amendment. And while you cite Bingham as the primary author of the 14th Amendment, which he was not talking about, you fail to mention that he had nothing to do with the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, which was added in the Senate by Senator Jacob Howard. And you fail to mention that the correct attribution of Bingham's truncated comment was to the debates about the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and that the continuation of the quote shows Bingham arguing that the Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional as beyond the powers of Congress. Other than that, your tagline serves as a blaring neon sign that says you do not know what you are talking about.
The information it contains is still the same. So far as John Bingham was concerned, children born in the US were citizens so long as they were born "of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty."
Too bad for you that Bingham did not offer any words on citizenship in the 14th Amendment, and therefore no words of John Bingham were ratified as part of the citizenship clause. The words that were ratified, with none contributed by John Bingham, were:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
That's what was adopted. That is what became part of American organic law.
My #36 provided you with the complete text of the Sentate Debate of the citizenship clause on May 30, 1866, as opposed to your blather and nonsense.
In introducing the text on citizenship, Senator Jacob Howard, its author, stated:
This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.