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To: 4Zoltan
You agree a naturalized citizen is a real citizen not a pretend citizen.

Because in your post #74 you said they were pretend not real.

DiogenesLamp - “Shall be deemed” means “We will pretend.”

Pointing out that the word "deemed" means "pretend", is not equivalent to saying a naturalized citizen is a "pretend" citizen. I did not say anything like that, or intend to convey any sort of meaning such as that.

I pointed out if they expected people to believe they are the same, they would have said "is" instead of "deemed."

Now you are saying,

DiogenesLamp - “A naturalized citizen is not a “pretend citizen”, but they are also not a “natural citizen.”

Yes, that's true. So?

When the Massachusetts naturalization acts listed by Mr Rogers in his comment #70 say,

“shall be deemed, adjudged, and taken to be citizens of this Commonwealth”

You no longer claim that this means they are pretend citizens of the Commonwealth but in fact “shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be” means “are citizens of this Commonwealth.”

It says they *ARE*"citizens" of the commonwealth, but only "deemed", "adjudged", "and taken" (pretended) to be "natural born subjects/citizens."

Do you not understand what adoption is?

Adopted citizens are treated like blood family, but they are not actually blood family.

122 posted on 07/24/2023 1:31:56 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; Mr Rogers

Okay, now I think I understand what you are saying.

The aliens naturalized by the Massachusetts legislature who were “deemed, adjudged, and taken to be” free citizens of the Commonwealth in fact did become free citizens of the Commonwealth but they did not have “all the liberties, rights and privileges” of the natural born citizen/subjects.

Massachusetts only pretended to give them “all the liberties, rights and privileges” of a natural born citizen/subject. This in spite of the language in the acts saying the newly naturalized citizens were “entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities” of natural born citizens/subjects.


125 posted on 07/24/2023 2:17:24 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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