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To: DiogenesLamp; Mr Rogers

Okay.

You agree a naturalized citizen is a real citizen not a pretend citizen.

Because in your post #74 you said they were pretend not real.

DiogenesLamp - “Shall be deemed” means “We will pretend.”

Now you are saying,

DiogenesLamp - “A naturalized citizen is not a “pretend citizen”, but they are also not a “natural citizen.”

Again just to clarify

When the Massachusetts naturalization acts listed by Mr Rogers in his comment #70 say,

“shall be deemed, adjudged, and taken to be citizens of this Commonwealth”

You no longer claim that this means they are pretend citizens of the Commonwealth but in fact “shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be” means “are citizens of this Commonwealth.”


120 posted on 07/24/2023 11:17:45 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan
You agree a naturalized citizen is a real citizen not a pretend citizen.

Because in your post #74 you said they were pretend not real.

DiogenesLamp - “Shall be deemed” means “We will pretend.”

Pointing out that the word "deemed" means "pretend", is not equivalent to saying a naturalized citizen is a "pretend" citizen. I did not say anything like that, or intend to convey any sort of meaning such as that.

I pointed out if they expected people to believe they are the same, they would have said "is" instead of "deemed."

Now you are saying,

DiogenesLamp - “A naturalized citizen is not a “pretend citizen”, but they are also not a “natural citizen.”

Yes, that's true. So?

When the Massachusetts naturalization acts listed by Mr Rogers in his comment #70 say,

“shall be deemed, adjudged, and taken to be citizens of this Commonwealth”

You no longer claim that this means they are pretend citizens of the Commonwealth but in fact “shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be” means “are citizens of this Commonwealth.”

It says they *ARE*"citizens" of the commonwealth, but only "deemed", "adjudged", "and taken" (pretended) to be "natural born subjects/citizens."

Do you not understand what adoption is?

Adopted citizens are treated like blood family, but they are not actually blood family.

122 posted on 07/24/2023 1:31:56 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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