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To: 4Zoltan
Just to clear something up - you believe that a naturalized citizen is not a real citizen just a pretend citizen. Is that right?

In this question, you are attempting to substitute *YOUR PREMISE*, that there is no difference between a natural born citizen and a 14th amendment or naturalized citizen, for my premise, which is that the meaning of "natural born citizen" descends from Vattel's writings on natural law, which specifies the difference.

One of the things I tell people all the time is "never accept the false premise of your opponents."

A naturalized citizen is not a "pretend citizen", but they are also not a "natural citizen."

They are naturalized. It's in the name. Don't see how you can have trouble understanding the difference.

107 posted on 07/24/2023 9:03:12 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; Mr Rogers

Okay.

You agree a naturalized citizen is a real citizen not a pretend citizen.

Because in your post #74 you said they were pretend not real.

DiogenesLamp - “Shall be deemed” means “We will pretend.”

Now you are saying,

DiogenesLamp - “A naturalized citizen is not a “pretend citizen”, but they are also not a “natural citizen.”

Again just to clarify

When the Massachusetts naturalization acts listed by Mr Rogers in his comment #70 say,

“shall be deemed, adjudged, and taken to be citizens of this Commonwealth”

You no longer claim that this means they are pretend citizens of the Commonwealth but in fact “shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be” means “are citizens of this Commonwealth.”


120 posted on 07/24/2023 11:17:45 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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