Posted on 07/16/2023 11:50:50 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
Russian President Vladimir Putin wants to attend an economic summit in South Africa next month and the country is desperately trying to persuade him to stay away to avoid the legal and diplomatic fallout over his international arrest warrant, South Africa’s deputy president said in an interview with a news website on Friday.
As a signatory to the treaty establishing the International Criminal Court, South Africa is obliged to arrest Putin on an indictment the court issued against the Russian leader in March for war crimes involving the abduction of children from Ukraine.
Moscow has dismissed the warrant. South African authorities are likely to breach the treaty and not arrest Putin, but some opposition parties, rights groups and legal activists have said he should be arrested and have threatened to do it themselves, raising security issues for the BRICS summit in Johannesburg.
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The Kremlin has not said that Putin will attend and the brief rebellion in Russia by the Wagner private military group appeared to make it unlikely he would travel after such a serious threat to his rule.
But Russia does want Putin to attend alongside Chinese leader Xi Jinping and the other presidents, South Africa Deputy President Paul Mashatile said in the interview with News24, a top South African news outlet. All the leaders were invited to the summit before the indictment against Putin was issued, South Africa has said.
“It’s a big dilemma for us. Of course, we cannot arrest him,” Mashatile said. “It’s almost like you invite your friend to your house, and then arrest them. That’s why for us, his not coming is the best solution. The Russians are not happy, though. They want him to come.”
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That’d probably start a nuclear war, so not the best idea.
On the other hand, South Africa is telling Russia that it has a bit of a dilemma, because it has treaty obligations and unlike Putin, it recognises that breaking a treaty you signed has adverse political consequences geopolitically.
How many solemn binding treaties filed at the UN did Russia sign with Ukraine, pledging to respect its sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity again?
Six?
The Russia-Chechnya wasn’t witnessed and counter-signed by USA and the UK, and then endorsed by China and France. (China, by the way, formally signed its own Budapest equivalent with Ukraine in 2013). Russia probably figured it could break that with minimal blowback.
But the Ukraine peace agreements were about as ironclad, copper-plated and bulletproof a treaty as you can get. Breaking them is about on the same level as, well, ignoring an ICC arrest warrant while being a signatory to the ICC.
I think the pro-Russia position is that all the Stans align with the future of Russia and China domination.
Here is what President Trump said about the Ukraine War today: “ I Know Zelinsky very well, I always thought he was very honorable, because when they asked him about the perfect phone call I made, he could have said it wasn’t perfect he could have grandstanded. I would tell Zelinsky, no more you’ve got to make a deal, And I would tell Putin,”IF YOU DON’T MAKE A DEAL,WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM A LOT. WE ARE GOING TO GOVE THEM A LOT MORE IF WE HAVE TO. I will get the deal done in one day.
Bearing false witness doesn’t seem very Christian of you as you claim someone is for homosexuality when they are directly opposed to it.
But you posted what your hopes for the future are in regard to Russia, China, and the United States/West.
“”””South Africa has to decide whether to go with the Globo-Homo bunch (the West), or the FUTURE, which is led by China/Russia, and the rest of the BRICS.””””
Hi Bob, I missed the memo where you were now a Moderator. When did that happen?
If Putin is dead no one in Russia will go to war. They’ll just clean out his office for the next guy who will be grateful for the vacancy.
Post 42 was meant for your post.
The ICC has no authority, even the US hasn’t signed on for fear of their military and politicians stand trial for their Iraq/ Afghanistan crimes….
President Trump said that.
Lol...name them.
“It’s a commie skreed.”
cowboyusa, I surely don’t want to think so!
BobL may not support Ukraine in this invasion of putin. But, he had seemed to have been a reputable Freeper in the past even though he often held differing viewpoints. Agree or not, I had liked reading his comments in the past.
Something is definitely wrong for him to be sending such negative, threatening comments: “I’d be careful, if I were you. Next time it may MUCH LONGER than one week.”
Or, even BobL actually accusing another Godly Freeper of wanting to try to force his grandchildren into gender-transitions!!’ T
HAT IS totally across the being extremely BIZARRE line!
Whatever, just consider that he is not acting like his normal self. As the Youth group at church newest saying is, “just cut him a slice of Grace”
Meantime, JUST IGNORE HIS BEHAVIOR.
No, I was saying the article was the skreed
Easily. First two treaties that come to mind where Russia: signed and promised not to attack Ukraine:
1. Budapest Memorandum
2. Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty.
Both were violated the second Moscow saw as advantageous.
For Russia, any peace treaty not grounded in a strategic reality that makes sense for Russia NOT to invade again is worthless and leadS to more war five or ten years later.
You must have REALLY angered them last week.
This post #52 is a real vile backstab.
Censorship is all that the consortium has got.
The consortium and its hangers-on should just go home to the Great Big Giant zElensky Thread.
Oops!
Sorry I just as some folks anti-freedom for Ukraine comments as the commie skreed! LOL
“I’d be careful, if I were you. Next time it may MUCH LONGER than one week.”
Now, Bob; Timber Rattler’s post #36 — to which your post #39 was in response — was merely a reminder of the rules JR posted a few days ago. There is no reason for you to revert to snark.
Hang around for a few more minutes, and the consortium will tell you what you were saying.
By leaving off a few words, and inserting a few more.
Absolutely not. There is NO target on BobL. Freepers were attempting clarification of alternate perspectives. BobL is typically usually logical & reasonable even if holding another point of view.
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