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Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase
The New York Times ^ | June 20, 2023 | Emma Goldberg

Posted on 06/20/2023 8:49:24 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Manny Medina, the chief executive of a Seattle-based artificial intelligence sales company, doesn’t mind repeating himself. It comes with the territory, after all. That tolerance proved convenient this year as he faced the same question innumerable times.

Wait, so why was it you wanted us back in the office?

The engineers reminded him of their commutes. The working parents reminded him of school pickup times. Mr. Medina replied with arguments he has delineated so often that they have come to feel like personal mantras: Being near each other makes the work better. Mr. Medina approached three years of mushy remote-plus-office work as an experiment. His takeaway was that ideas bubble up more organically in the clamor of the office.

“You can interrupt each other without being rude when you’re in person,” said Mr. Medina, whose company, Outreach, is now in the office on a hybrid basis. “In a Zoom conversation, you have to let somebody finish their thought.”

For tens of millions of office workers, it’s been three years of scattershot plans for returning to in-person work — summoning people in, not really meaning it, everybody pretty much working wherever they pleased. Now, for the umpteenth time, businesses are ready to get serious.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: mannymedina; seattle; washington
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To: Captain Walker
If I don't want to go back to the office but my employer insists, I will find another employer.

This, exactly. I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand, and all of the weird emotional stuff that surrounds this issue.

My company tried the WFH thing kind of in a rush like everyone else, but I'd long thought it might be a good model. Turned out that a "general", as in "everyone" can WFH policy just didn't work for the type of work we do, which was a disappointment, but OK, we tried. Some employees felt that the quality of life that they enjoyed with the WFH model was so good that when we went back to in-office they needed to look for opportunities elsewhere, and that's ok. Not clear why people stopped being adults about this.

41 posted on 06/20/2023 9:22:20 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: SaveFerris
But look how much you miss not being there in person.


42 posted on 06/20/2023 9:25:20 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’ll just go back to what I did four years. Sure the commute is a “waste of time” but employment IS a two-way street.

Glad I have an EV! <— that’ll get some hate on this thread ;-) But my RTW office has company-provided chargers ...

THen there’s this ;-) — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0KjdDJr1c


43 posted on 06/20/2023 9:26:51 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Certain Baby Boomers may be more disciplined so they can probably handle the WFH.

Baby Boomers are also probably more likely to have work arrangements at home that are conducive to productive work than their younger counterparts.

During the height of the COVID idiocy I noticed two general schools of thought among people working from home:

- The ones who were most productive, and most receptive to the idea of working at home, were those who had space at home (an extra bedroom or den) that could be dedicated to an office.

- The ones who were least productive (and didn't like working from home) were those who lived in small apartments and/or had young children, and didn't have a place at home where they could work without interruption.

44 posted on 06/20/2023 9:26:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: ealgeone

Definitely a “one man’s meat is another man’s poison” situation. I have a job where I could choose to stay home almost all of the time - but it is depressing as can be. I tried it for awhile and soon went back to the office like a person clinging for a life preserver.

I have two offices in my house. The one with the nice window is in a special section of my master bedroom, I looked over at my bed one day at 6PM and realized I had just spent about 18 hours out of 24 in the same area. I thought to myself that it was essentially like a prison. No wonder I felt so bad. I started going to the office almost every day after that and have been so much happier. It took about 3 weeks of WFH to realize my mental health was being impacted very negatively by it.


45 posted on 06/20/2023 9:27:32 AM PDT by Codeflier (Don't worry....be happy)
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To: FLT-bird

“You tell ‘em, Boss-man.”

(Quote from a young Derek Jeter to Yankees Owner George Steinbrenner strongly holding forth within earshot with a gaggle of sports press.)


46 posted on 06/20/2023 9:27:47 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: MinorityRepublican

I actually LIKE getting out of the house. During the BS Covid Lockdown, I felt like I had cabin fever. While it was somewhat nice not to have the commute, I also felt like I was atrophying professionally. I got lazier and did not like how it felt. Plus, more distractions at home. My wife saw me home and felt free to task me to help her do her various projects.

I am pretty sure lots of people working from home are only working half time or less.


47 posted on 06/20/2023 9:28:21 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Blueflag

“RTW office has company-provided chargers”

Now that’s a good idea.


48 posted on 06/20/2023 9:29:20 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Captain Walker

“If I don’t want to go back to the office but my employer insists, I will find another employer.”

This is the same as it has always been. If you are skilled and your employer wants your skills, they will negotiate a mutually beneficial arrangement. If not, they won’t, and you are free to find some place that will.

I believe that most people are not thusly skilled to entice an employer to fulfill a demand like “I get to work from home - or else”.


49 posted on 06/20/2023 9:30:44 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: MinorityRepublican
You want me to spend 40 hours a month at least commuting, paying for dry cleaning, plus transportation costs, etc., so you can make more money?

The response from the employees should always be the same as Pauley from Goodfellas: "F--- you, pay me."

In the end it isn't about the workers: it's about management control and their inability to manage remote employees effectively.

50 posted on 06/20/2023 9:30:51 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: rbg81

I think you are right about all the distractions. Unfortunately, those people will never admit it. They will rationalize that they are more productive than ever.

Also, I have noticed an almost antisocial element to many of the most intense WFH proponents. Almost misanthropic.


51 posted on 06/20/2023 9:31:55 AM PDT by Codeflier (Don't worry....be happy)
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To: Codeflier

So...geographically remote workers (people who would have to take an airplane to get to the office) are an absolute no-go for you?


52 posted on 06/20/2023 9:33:31 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’m in the laptop class but realistically I can do about half of the job remotely without causing other problems.

So I am usually here at least three days a week and am always prepared to show up on the other ones.


53 posted on 06/20/2023 9:34:56 AM PDT by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure..)
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To: Codeflier
A few quarters of big layoffs, will correct this problem, once people actually start to feel thankful they even have a job again.

Be careful what you wish for, because they might just vote for socialists and live on the dole, or get laws mandating 5 weeks PTO like in Europe.

54 posted on 06/20/2023 9:35:25 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Codeflier

“Also, I have noticed an almost antisocial element to many of the most intense WFH proponents. Almost misanthropic.”

Are they this way with local friends, family, neighbors?


55 posted on 06/20/2023 9:35:44 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey

Of course not. If they were hired with such a big geographical distance to begin with, remote work was already baked in to the deal.

If on the other hand, people moved hours away during COVID, just because they thought remote work was going to be a permanent feature - then a hard analysis of the future needs to be on the table from both sides.


56 posted on 06/20/2023 9:35:58 AM PDT by Codeflier (Don't worry....be happy)
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To: Codeflier

Not my experience. Have been WFH for years. Having middle managers take all the offices and have the line employees in a loud ‘bullpen’ is so 1990. They got to play dress-up, show off new cars and watches and lord over and leer at the peasants - I can see why they miss it! Even with all that I do miss the office for some things. YMMV


57 posted on 06/20/2023 9:36:23 AM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: Codeflier

Fair enough. Thanks. -OGINJ


58 posted on 06/20/2023 9:37:18 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Larry Lucido

Wow! 3 times!

K-ueger!!!


59 posted on 06/20/2023 9:39:16 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Unassuaged

Their Harvey Weinstein-esque “love lives” plummeted to zero during the scamdemic.


60 posted on 06/20/2023 9:39:47 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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