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To: Red6

The Western mistakes in Ukraine began in the 2000s, starting especially in 2008 when Bush declared Ukraine would be in NATO.

The US-arranged coup in 2013 really sealed Ukraine’s fate. Knowing Ukraine was being moved into the NATO camp with that coup, Russia seized Crimea, and there was no coming back after that.

Its pure arrogance from the effeminate, globalist, social-engineers in DC, London and Brussels that assumed they could do whatever they wanted in Ukraine.


39 posted on 06/16/2023 5:50:28 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

100% agree-

But here is the sad part of the story.

1. This war was largely predictable.

2. This war was entirely preventable.

3. This war was completely unnecessary.


Ukraine had 95% of what they could ever dream of. They were independent, economically growing, had a special status with the EU and likely would have become an EU member. You had Western nations throwing money at them. They even enjoyed military ties with the US and NATO, to where we were equipping, training, and feeding them intel. We were holding joint exercises etc. Ukraine was in an EXCELLENT position where they pretty much had everything you could want.

Pushing NATO amounted to taking an extreme risk for a fairly low payoff.

This was a stupid decision by (((our))) administration, and everyone is a loser in this:

-—Ukraine is the obvious loser, even if we lie about them winning bla bla bla (junk). They will lose 20% of their landmass and population, a major port city and industrial area. They have seen their economy implode by >30% just last year, high inflation 26%, a damaged infrastructure, internal instability, tens of thousands dead, millions that fled (refugees). This “winner” according to our entirely not propagandist media is royally f#@$ed. And for all of that they will be rewarded by not even achieving the cause of this war, NATO membership. Nor will they likely be in the EU despite all the hot air about that because NO ONE wants to pay for this and Ukraine is not an asset now, they are a huge liability.

-—Russia is technically the winner, but at a huge cost of life, loss of military hardware, some damage to their economy, hard lines being drawn between them and the West, and where they need to be concerned about their frontier since in a weakened position it will be harder for them to hold onto Syria, Venezuela and Libya (which we have been trying hard to tear out from underneath them).

-—We are hemorrhaging money and finding ourselves in an economic conflict which is exacerbating inflation. We have put some of our allies under pressure (Example Egypt: they get their food from Russia) and likely opened the door to future proxy conflicts where Russia will pay us back by arming folks that want to do us harm. We are seeing an acceleration in the divestment from the dollar and further development of BRICS.

-—Even our Euro/NATO allies are seeing their economies tank (Germany is in a particular bad position), are spending money like mad, and what can they say they gained from any of this?

We created a situation where as disgusting my comment elsewhere was, the only folks benefiting are the undertakers.

Aside from the death and destruction industry, who is going to benefit? Anywhere?

This is an everyone loses situation which we created.

This is a gamble, with an very high wager, we should have never made.


60 posted on 06/16/2023 7:36:28 AM PDT by Red6
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