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Russia's Prigozhin Says Bakhmut Territories Captured as Promised, Will Leave Zone
US News ^ | 5/21/2023 | Reuters

Posted on 05/21/2023 12:08:03 PM PDT by marcusmaximus

The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group said on Sunday that his forces had captured all the territory in the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut as promised and would leave the conflict zone later this week.

"Wagner has made no advances. Wagner today captured no territory. We have captured all the territory we promised to capture, right up to the last centimetre," Yevgeny Prigozhin said in an audio message posted on Telegram messaging app.

"As we stated yesterday. We are handing over our positions to (Russia's) Defence Ministry and on the 25th (of May) we are leaving the conflict zone."

(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bakhmut; gerasimov; may25; prigozhin; putin; shoigu; wagner
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Prigo on May 25th.


1 posted on 05/21/2023 12:08:03 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

Makes no sense to leave a ‘captured’ land and man it with less than capable military personnel. It’s hoping that the Ukrainians won’t retake the territory. It sounds very fake.


2 posted on 05/21/2023 12:11:46 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

Sounds like Prigo cut a deal with Zelenskyy.


3 posted on 05/21/2023 12:15:48 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: adorno

I’ve been watching updates daily on the war. It actually does make sense because Ukraine is trying to cut off the flanks and circle the city. So he wants to get the heck out of there and get some rest.

Also Russia is finally learning how to fight a bit better. I don’t want Russia to Win...in fact, I’d like both sides to lose if possible.

But when the war started Russia was clueless. Now they are getting better. So Joe bRiben has helped Russian military improve and put our military capability at risk.


4 posted on 05/21/2023 12:15:49 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: adorno
--- "It sounds very fake."

So much does these days.

5 posted on 05/21/2023 12:16:36 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: adorno

That will leave Bakhmut vulnerable to Ukrainian counterattacks once the Wagner Mercenaries leave because the Russian conscripts from the Armed Forces will have to man defensive fortifications.


6 posted on 05/21/2023 12:18:01 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: marcusmaximus

Why would he stay sitting on a pile of bricks?


7 posted on 05/21/2023 12:18:12 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: for-q-clinton

Prigo cut a deal with Zelenskyy. Prigo wants the hell out of Ukraine and will go to Sudan.


8 posted on 05/21/2023 12:18:42 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

I am certain the Russians report what they are doing and why to mucousmaximus.


9 posted on 05/21/2023 12:20:24 PM PDT by dforest
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To: for-q-clinton
But when the war started Russia was clueless. Now they are getting better.

It works both ways.

The Ukes are getting better by the say,and they're getting better training and are getting better equipped. The Russians are not getting new weapons, other than what they have already available.
10 posted on 05/21/2023 12:21:27 PM PDT by adorno
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To: JonPreston
Run, Prigo, Run!


11 posted on 05/21/2023 12:21:27 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: adorno
Makes no sense to leave a ‘captured’ land and man it with less than capable military personnel. It’s hoping that the Ukrainians won’t retake the territory. It sounds very fake.

It is easier to hold territory than to attack. The strategy of replacing vanguard units with less capable defensive occupiers has been going on since Ancient Rome.

12 posted on 05/21/2023 12:22:56 PM PDT by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater in 2024)
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To: dforest

Flashback:

Wagner mercenary leader offered Ukrainians the locations of invading troops in exchange for sparing his for-hire army, leaked documents reveal

https://www.businessinsider.com/wagner-leader-prigozhin-offered-ukraine-locations-putin-troops-discord-leak-2023-5


13 posted on 05/21/2023 12:23:35 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: MinorityRepublican
That will leave Bakhmut vulnerable to Ukrainian counterattacks once the Wagner Mercenaries leave because the Russian conscripts from the Armed Forces will have to man defensive fortifications.

What it sounds like is that the Wagner group was about to give up and run, but, they had to claim victory before getting the hell out. A fake 'partial victory' while the truth is far from what Prigo claimed. You don't leave conquered land after the military suffered so many losses. It's incomprehensible and a total lie.
14 posted on 05/21/2023 12:25:29 PM PDT by adorno
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To: for-q-clinton

I’d like both sides to lose if possible.
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Evil is destroying evil…..and the US is involved deeply…..what the West does not understand- in a war of attrition, the “ winner” is the one that loses the least.

The Ukies have lost territory, their economy, their electricity, their population, their infrastructure, the list is long


15 posted on 05/21/2023 12:26:01 PM PDT by delta7
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To: marcusmaximus

Just listening to Alexander Mercouris. He said the regular Russian army mostly supported Wagner with their artillery.

20,000 shells A DAY in much of the battle. As Bakhmut did fall that indicates he was not lying about most of his reporting. I’d say he is probably accurate on this as well.

I’m also wondering how much supplies , weapons and equipment the Ukr had to abandon, something I’ve heard little about.


16 posted on 05/21/2023 12:26:33 PM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: marcusmaximus

Zaluzhny? Where is your Zaluzhny?


17 posted on 05/21/2023 12:27:43 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: thegagline
It is easier to hold territory than to attack. The strategy of replacing vanguard units with less capable defensive occupiers has been going on since Ancient Rome.

That makes no sense. Not after suffering thousands dead and countless other injured or maimed. You don't fight so hard just to give it all up after claiming victory. It's a total lie that they had conquered and won. Prigo is trying to save face.
18 posted on 05/21/2023 12:28:27 PM PDT by adorno
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To: Phoenix8

Disbarred lawyer Alexander Mercouris?


19 posted on 05/21/2023 12:34:10 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: adorno

Russia is weak now and unable to advance further. They’ll go back to bombing women and children in the usual Russian way of war.


20 posted on 05/21/2023 12:35:28 PM PDT by lodi90
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