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What Debt Ceiling? Biden Set to Send Another $375 Million in Weapons to Ukraine
Breitbart ^ | 05/20/2023 | Peter Caddle

Posted on 05/20/2023 7:06:09 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

U.S. President Joe Biden is reportedly set to announce another $375 million in weapons aid for Ukraine.

The United States is to hand over another $375 million in so-called “military aid” to Ukraine, officials in both the Biden and Zelensky administrations have claimed.

President Joe Biden is set to announce the new injection of guns and ammo imminently, with his government repeatedly shovelling billions of dollars worth of munitions into the country since it was invaded by Russia last year.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: biden; debtceiling; ukraine; weapons
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1 posted on 05/20/2023 7:06:09 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Proxy war. Which may escalate into a proxy World War.


2 posted on 05/20/2023 7:07:26 AM PDT by Leep (Hillary will NEVER be president! 😁)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Don’t worry about the cost. Biden’s Defense Dept is marking down the value of our existing munitions so that he can pretend not to have sent as much. The fact that replacements will cost enormous sums due to inflation doesn’t matter at all.


3 posted on 05/20/2023 7:11:51 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Blackmail is a terrible thing....and quite expensive!!!


4 posted on 05/20/2023 7:13:01 AM PDT by lgjhn23 ("On the 8th day, Satan created the progressive liberal to destroy all the good that God created...")
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NATO To Draw Up Russia War Plans For First Time Since Cold War https://t.co/2XSm0utWR6— zerohedge (@zerohedge) May 20, 2023


5 posted on 05/20/2023 7:14:30 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Hey, this is a math error and it is racist to expect 2+2 = 4 and at the government spending level to add up the millions and billions of dollars correctly.


6 posted on 05/20/2023 7:14:43 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Anybody But Trump. Tired of Trump's Boorish Antics, Poor Hiring and Life Choices. We Can Do Better!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Absolutely NO ONE voted for THIS!! We are hemorrhaging money!!

“O’Bozo” and his creeps hae pawned our future as a sovereign power


7 posted on 05/20/2023 7:16:37 AM PDT by SMARTY (“Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.” Thomas Sowell)
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Absolutely NO ONE voted for THIS!!

Yep, and this money is just replacing what the Russians blew up in the last week or so.

Much like sending F16 fighters. The Russians will know where they are based and pound the place. We have great offense, but a weak defence. Everybody’s brave until the shelling starts.


8 posted on 05/20/2023 7:26:25 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

Are they using the US stuff that was abandoned in A’stan


9 posted on 05/20/2023 7:31:47 AM PDT by SMARTY (“Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.” Thomas Sowell)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

WION | Gravitas Plus: Did NATO push Ukraine into war?

https://youtu.be/TzgPJeYZaOU

“The Ukraine conflict has been ‘westsplained’ enough. On Gravitas Plus, Palki Sharma tells you how Western arrogance & NATO’s expansionism are also to blame, how their actions precipitated the crisis in Ukraine.


10 posted on 05/20/2023 7:33:08 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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I'm sorry, the press just doesn't get it. The weapons have already been paid for, and the debt to pay for them was already in place before the "crisis". This current shipment represents a shrinkage in inventory, not a pass-through purchase.

Now, the cost of replacement does play into the debt "crisis", just like households have to spend money to replace the bread that was already purchased and in the breadbox before someone made a sandwich.

11 posted on 05/20/2023 7:33:20 AM PDT by asinclair (What doesn't kill you makes you stronger)
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To: Leep

Well, 10% is $37.5 Million, not a bad weekly paycheck for the “Big Guy…”


12 posted on 05/20/2023 7:38:08 AM PDT by Shady (The Force of Liberty must prevail for the sake of our Children and Grandchildren...)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Thats not “so called” military aid. That is actual military aid. Seems pretty clear.


13 posted on 05/20/2023 7:38:59 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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But somehow Americans can’t be trusted with AR-15s.


14 posted on 05/20/2023 7:40:48 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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GOOOOOOD MORNING VIET NAM....................................


15 posted on 05/20/2023 7:43:51 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: Chewbarkah

Some is to be replaced, some isnt.

Much of that which the US has sent is surplus.

In the main, a vast number of obsolete armored vehicles the US military is replacing or no longer intends to use.

Valuing ammunition is an interesting question. Ammo, even 155mm artillery shells, has a shelf life. Overage ammo needs to be disposed of, and this is not cheap (given the vast regulatory overhead for this). So what is the value of a 20-year old 155mm shell?


16 posted on 05/20/2023 7:44:58 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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There is some actual cash being spent. However, the older weapons platforms such as the Bradley’s have been in pre-disposal maintenance. (I don’t recall the actual name for this status.) Since they have been replaced with new technology, more capable platforms, we are saving the cost of pre-destruction maintenance, where they are maintained in fighting condition. Once they are scrapped, they are demilitarized, at some expense, then they are scrapped. If they are given to Ukraine, they are given away at their original purchase value. (As opposed to an asset on the books as these articles portray, they are a liability.) When the press says Ukraine is being given X amount of money, much of that money is not real. It’s an accounting exercise. Giving the stuff away is, in many cases, saving the government maintenance and scrapping costs. (Yes, some real money is being given as the US and the NATO allies are paying the costs of running Kiev’s government and social security. But that is a shared burden.)

As to why the US and NATO are doing this, failure to challenge the hostile takeover of a democracy sends the signal worldwide that invading a neighbor and taking their territory is okay with us. Ultimately, sending this signal is likely to result in many more wars and deaths. History says if we get involved early and back our allies then we’ll avoid more costly wars later. Also, Russia has been running a behind the scenes war on the US and NATO since Putin took over twenty years ago. That war is costing the US a lot in cyber security and foreign brush wars designed to weaken the US in various areas.

One reason Japan attacked the UK and European holdings in WWII is they saw the US was letting the UK get slaughtered without trying to send actual help. (Lend lease didn’t count in their eyes as actual help.) China is watching very closely. How the allies respond in Ukraine may stop them from attacking Taiwan. Again, why do we care? Wars are like fires. They’re easier to put out if you can get there early. Arguably, the Ukraine war would be over if the allies had sent the help they’re finally sending now starting on March of last year. Instead, every bullet was argued over, which has resulted in potential famine worldwide. Why do we care? Because unlike in the past, everyone in danger can get to Mexico and across the US border which is wide open.


17 posted on 05/20/2023 8:07:00 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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Great Response!!!

And where did all these liars come from who claim nobody voted for this when Congress clearly appropriated money for Ukraine?


18 posted on 05/20/2023 8:24:02 AM PDT by DannyTN
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“… In total, according to the Keil Institute, the U.S. taxpayer has so far paid $46.6 billion in weapons shipments to Ukraine, $26.4 billion in financial aid and $2.9 billion in humanitarian help since last year’s invasion by Russia.…”
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GIBS-ME-DAT money. GIBS-ME-DOSE resources. We don’t need no stinkin’ debt ceiling.


19 posted on 05/20/2023 8:34:54 AM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX’)
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To: buwaya

I completely understand your points, and agree that these considerations enter the evaluation of the assets.

The situations begs two questions:
1) How can we rely upon the current and future accuracy/honesty of an administration that just admitted to a $3 billion bust in their prior evaluation?
2) Since bureaucrats are not given to admitting mistakes, much less outting themselves, what is their ulterior motive for coming out with this at this time?


20 posted on 05/20/2023 9:07:22 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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