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What Absentee Voting Looked Like In All 50 States ("Biden indeed would not have won without mail votes")
Five Thirty Eight ^ | February 9, 2021 | Nathaniel Rakich and Jasmine Mithani

Posted on 05/10/2023 6:08:20 PM PDT by DoodleBob

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To: DoodleBob

< What is the plan for WINNING?>

Sadly their is no viable plan, Trump and Trump’s advisors do not get that unless we either beat them at VBM, vote by mail, -a month for them to gather votes and/or cheat or stop VBM , it doesn’t really matter who is on the top of the GOP tix we lose. i campaigned for Trump, donated money and worked my butt off for him but I am disappointed his response has been tepid at best and instead does the name calling bit on DeSantis that only pisses off independent women voters so they can keep it close enough so they can use VBM to win/cheat.


21 posted on 05/11/2023 2:14:59 AM PDT by TECTopcat
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To: Gay State Conservative

Your list is accurate. Until most or all of those schemes are eliminated there will be no fair elections in the USA.

2020 was the last pre-production test of the demorat’s balloting schemes. A few loose ends like wrong sized ballots and continuous ballots with the same signature (obvious copies) have been addressed with modified procedures. 2024 will have the full application of all the demorat ballot manipulation procedures in place. I expect the 2024 results to look something like this:

R voters: 75mm, R ballots: 75mm
D voters: 62mm, D ballots: 83mm


22 posted on 05/11/2023 3:47:55 AM PDT by ByteMercenary (Cho Bi Dung and KamalHo are not my leaders.)
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To: TECTopcat

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< What is the plan for WINNING?>

Sadly their is no viable plan,<<<

It would be nice if Republicans could employ the same tactics as Democrats, but these tactics range from sketchy to blatantly criminal. Add to that the way justice is administered according to party affiliation, and Republicans will be prosecuted en masse.


23 posted on 05/11/2023 3:51:18 AM PDT by Don@VB (THE NEW GREEN DEAL IS JUST THE OLD RED DEAL)
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To: Don@VB

Republicans can and should use the same tactics as Democrats.

Ballot Harvesting is legal in several states, does the GOP have any plan for ballot harvesting ???

No, they do not, it’s always been vote on election day, it’s the classic definition of insanity to keep doing the same things and expect a different result.

Ballot harvesting is just one issue.

The other issue IMO is this dedication to getting rid of the machines that count votes, if you got rid of all the machines tomorrow and did nothing to counter ballot harvesting and other voting issues, the results would not change. People seem to believe that hand counting would be more accurate than machines, involving humans in a repetitive process like vote counting, lends itself to mistakes.

Vote counting machines, early voting and ballot harveting are 3 issues that are not going away, either you embrace them or your cease and to exist.


24 posted on 05/11/2023 4:26:01 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: Drew68
I don’t understand how your suggestion of our side accepting (and I assume you mean participating in ) early voting and mail-in voting going to make a difference. The real cheating is in the “counting” of the votes.

Please explain.

25 posted on 05/11/2023 4:41:33 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Voting early may be mostly ok. My problem is with mail in ballots. I have to believe it is riddled with fraud on so many levels, and lax oversight is simply compounding the problem. As they say, “It’s so easy a caveman could do it.”


26 posted on 05/11/2023 6:58:28 AM PDT by Don@VB (THE NEW GREEN DEAL IS JUST THE OLD RED DEAL)
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To: Don@VB

Regarding counting: They may or may not be counting honestly, but a lot of the ballots they are counting are fraudulent in some way, shape,or form.


27 posted on 05/11/2023 7:05:39 AM PDT by Don@VB (THE NEW GREEN DEAL IS JUST THE OLD RED DEAL)
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To: DoodleBob

THere is no way a Democrat wins Georgia WITHOUT cheating.


28 posted on 05/11/2023 7:10:06 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: srmanuel

Ballot Harvesting is legal in some states, but I’ll bet it’s going to be proven a bit more legal for Democrats. Especially in areas with woke DA’s.


29 posted on 05/11/2023 7:17:08 AM PDT by Don@VB (THE NEW GREEN DEAL IS JUST THE OLD RED DEAL)
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To: Don@VB

So what, if you have no plan to deal with ballot harvesting the Republicans will continue to lose elections.

It is the classic definition of insanity to repeat the same actions over and over and expect a different outcome.

Constant complaining about Democrats cheating is getting you nowhere, either play the game with the rules that exist or go extinct.


30 posted on 05/11/2023 7:22:27 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: Drew68

I echo the question asked by another here. How does our “acceptance” of these methods make any difference? Their extra ballots are held by them in readiness to be found in sufficient numbers to overwhelm the Republican count regardless of when or how Republican ballots are cast.

Am I missing something?


31 posted on 05/11/2023 7:24:15 AM PDT by BDParrish (God called, He said He'd take you back!)
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To: Don@VB
”Voting early may be mostly ok. My problem is with mail in ballots”

You are absolutely right about that. I just got the impression that you were saying if we gave in to it and just did absentee voting ourselves that it would solve the problem. I guess I misunderstood you. 😁

32 posted on 05/11/2023 7:56:21 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: DoodleBob

We lost GA, WI, and AZ, by a total of 43,000 votes.

We have no idea how many ineligible votes were cast in those three states, and no idea how many ballots had no verifiable chain of custody in those three states.

Winning those three states would have tied the Electoral College at 270-270.

The election would have gone to the House of Representatives, where each state gets just one vote, and Trump would have won easily.

The GOP cannot prove that Trump won the 2020 election.

However - the Democrat Party cannot prove that Trump lost the 2020 election.


33 posted on 05/11/2023 8:28:26 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: BDParrish
How does our “acceptance” of these methods make any difference?

Until we have the power to change voting laws which first requires winning elections, we embrace the same tools that the Democrats are using.

We’re ceding to them a massive advantage by our reluctance to use mail voting, early voting, and ballot harvesting.

I mailed my vote in for Trump to Florida in 2020. I voted for him early in Florida in 2016. He won that state both times.

34 posted on 05/11/2023 8:31:16 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024. A real conservative.)
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To: DoodleBob
Conservatives and Republicans need to accept the painful reality that we are outnumbered.

One third of the voters in 2020 were non-white.

72% of non-whites voted for Biden.

25% voted for Trump.

58% of whites voted for Trump.

We need to get 60% of the white vote just to be competitive.

The last time a Republican got 60% of the white vote was 1988.

35 posted on 05/11/2023 9:19:32 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: Drew68

You do not understand the problem.
The VBM scheme allows extra bogus votes to be counted.
The number of extra votes is added when it is known how many are needed.

Are you suggesting that our side is unwilling to manufacture extra votes? You are correct about that.
Are you suggesting that if our side merely votes early our totals will be more? What do you think is happening? I don’t wish to be disrespectful brother, but forgive me if I cannot hide the feeling that you are being naive.
Are you suggesting that going around and collecting boxes of legitimate real ballots and delivering them will change the Democrat margin of victory? That is not true.

I know it may be difficult to face, but until you are honest with yourself about what is really going on, you have no advice for us. And if you think that there is even a remote possibility that we are ever going to fight fire with fire, I would appreciate hearing how you think that might be brought about.

I understood the strategy suggested by Trump and by Kari Lake in Arizona. Wait till election day and overwhelm the fraud machine with sheer numbers. Lake was delighted and optimistic right up till the end because her polling showed an unbeatable margin in all the key places. She had no clue what the Dimwits’ counter tactic would be. It was working until key polling places had “tabulation issues’ and just enough of those issues to give the election to the Dimwits. As Charlie Kirk said, it was a “traffic jam by design.”

Now, when you suggest we let them know our numbers as early as possible, What do you think they will do?!


36 posted on 05/11/2023 11:33:12 AM PDT by BDParrish (God called, He said He'd take you back!)
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To: zeestephen
Conservatives and Republicans need to accept the painful reality that we are outnumbered. One third of the voters in 2020 were non-white.

Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas et al will be surprised by this assessment.

37 posted on 05/11/2023 12:08:58 PM PDT by DoodleBob ( Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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Re: "Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas et al will be surprised by this assessment."

I do not know why they would be surprised.

88% of Black voters did not vote for Trump.

The Black presidential vote has been 90% Democrat or higher since the 1970s.

38 posted on 05/11/2023 4:24:10 PM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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