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To: Sam Gamgee
No witnesses or anything caught on camera? Then how on earth did they get a win on this?

Let me get this straight. If I get a woman in a situation where she and I are alone --there might be other people nearby but no one can see us -- and also there are no cameras, then I can do whatever I want to her with impunity? She won't be able to win a lawsuit against me? And presumably the DA won't be able to prosecute me, given that the standard of proof in a criminal case is even tougher?

Fortunately, that's not the law. It's not required that there be nonparty witnesses or a "smoking gun" video. A victim's sworn statement under oath is enough to support a verdict in her favor, if the jury believes her. It's especially easy to believe her when the alleged perpetrator doesn't take the stand to deny the allegations. I think Trump's lawyers made a tactical mistake there.
348 posted on 05/10/2023 9:43:26 PM PDT by Eagle Forgotten
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To: Eagle Forgotten

A sworn statement is all they need? That is crap IMHO. No, you should not be able to molest someone with impunity, but if all that person has is a sworn statement, too bad, so sad. You are right though that Trump made a mistake.


365 posted on 05/12/2023 9:47:23 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Eagle Forgotten
Let me get this straight. If I get a woman in a situation where she and I are alone --there might be other people nearby but no one can see us -- and also there are no cameras, then I can do whatever I want to her with impunity? She won't be able to win a lawsuit against me? And presumably the DA won't be able to prosecute me, given that the standard of proof in a criminal case is even tougher?

It’s worse than that.

Carroll testified the attack took place in the women’s department of Bergdorf Goodmans late in the evening. No one noticed Donald Trump going with her up six floors. (The sales associates work on commission in that store!) No one approached them. When they got to the women’s department, she wrote and testified, there was no one on the entire floor. No sales associates, no customers, nobody.

She and Trump start browsing the lingerie section of the store where she models some of the lingerie for him. . . In the aisles, apparently unsaid over her clothes or not. She then picks out a baby blue sheer teddy and he says "put it on!" E. Jean, teasingly suggests Trump put it on instead, saying, "it’s your color, it matches your eyes” but then goes into a changing room and locks the door (the women’s department manager from that period had testified the door frames had curtains, just before Carroll’s testimony), when Trump came crashing through the door and pushed her up against the wall…

So, several things come up… E. Jean Carroll had been a writer or Saturday Night Live and before the time the Trump event supposedly occurred, she wrote a skit for SNL in which a star and a woman are browsing the lingerie department and a baby blue teddy is brought out and the EXACT SCENARIO is played out except the male star actually puts the Teddy on over his suit! This aired on SNL several years prior to the mid-1990s.

Then another witness, one E.Jean says she called the night of the supposed attack after she drove home, testifies that E. Jean was laughing and giddy about it… saying she wanted to tell her an exciting and funny story of what happened to her… but more importantly, the phone call came while she was making Mac n’ Cheese and hotdogs for her 3 and 6 year old kids’ dinner, between 6 and 7 pm… not late in the evening. This would have placed the supposed attack even earlier when people were getting off work and stopping in Bergdorf Goodmans to buy stuff on the way home. It would not have been empty!

E Jean Carroll testified she didn’t want to report her rape to the police because that would take attention away from the migrant women being raped at the border in the crisis there. Uh, what migrant border crisis in the mid 1990s?

Law & Order SVU aired an episode in September 2012, #67, in which a New York Federal Judge was depicted as invading a Bergdorf Goodman lingerie Department dressing room and assaulting and raping a woman. Then denying it. E.Jean Carroll admitted she was aware of it and said she was a fan of the Law & Order series, but, no, she didn’t like the violent nature of the SVU version.

What strange coincidences. She used to have watch parties.

371 posted on 05/12/2023 11:36:58 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigots)
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