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To: jeffersondem; DiogenesLamp; x; IrishBrigade
jeffersondem: "You contend that Jefferson was 'all in favor of expanding the voter rolls' and in the same sentence include something about enfranchising women and freed blacks.
In the very next sentence you state Jefferson was responsible for disenfranchising women and African Americans.

Enfranchise and disenfranchise are not the same thing.
They are opposites
."

Not if you're a Democrat. 😂

The original laws of most states in, say, 1800 required voters to be property owners.
In some states that also enfranchised well-off property owning women and freed-blacks to vote.
Such voters were likely to support the party of the Constitution, the Federalists.

The genius of Jeffersonians was to campaign for universal suffrage, for any man "free, white and 21".
These added millions of Big City immigrants, who did not own property, to Democrat voter rolls and began the Democrats' alliance of Big City immigrants (i.e., Tammany Hall) with globalized Big Business (i.e., King Cotton) and poor rural whites.

And, genius of political geniuses, the very same laws which added more poor men, "free, white and 21" also revoked the franchise from property owning women and freed-blacks.

In military terms, that's called "shaping the battlefield", to improve your side's chances of victory.
I don't know what the political term for it is, maybe Donald Trump would call it rigging or stealing elections?

Whatever it's called, Democrats have long been masters of it and Republicans, generally, have no clue what's hitting them.

Here is one description of Tammany Hall in New York City:


68 posted on 05/07/2023 4:54:23 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK; DiogenesLamp; x; IrishBrigade

“In some states (in 1800) that also enfranchised well-off property owning women and freed-blacks to vote.”

Seems I’ve read that New Jersey experimented with some women voting for a short time - not married women but unmarried and widows. I had never heard that Jefferson supported or opposed the New Jersey legislature in their back and forth.

What other states are you referencing that gave women the right to vote in 1800?


69 posted on 05/07/2023 7:37:54 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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