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Wrong. It wouldn’t have had the level of embarrassment it had then, with their silly wxcusez if you were correct, regardless of the monies at that link.

2nd, you’re quick to give the Obama regime the benefit of the doubt when he was clearly a warmonger, but you like that sort of thing

3rd, Trump has more trustworthiness than you.

4th, there are videos of McCain and Nuland stoking the crowds in Ukraine.

5th, whether in Ukraine or Sudan, Death Follows Victoria Nuland Wherever She Goes

4/26/23

“Victoria Nuland was known as the midwife of Maidan – the Obama-Biden point person reportedly running the overthrow of the Ukrainian Presidency in 2013-14.

Ukraine 2014 Coup d’état

After violent events associated with the Maidan revolution protests, Ukraine’s parliament ousted President Viktor Yanukovich in February 2014 and replaced him with Petro Poroshenko. Disposed Yanukovich was an existential threat because his amicable relations with Russia impeded Ukraine from becoming a European member and NATO from expanding to Russia’s border. Assistant U.S. Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, the midwife of Maidan, threatened sanctions against Ukraine’s government if President Viktor Yanukovych remained in office. (Over 100 people were killed in the protests.)

The Obama-Biden Administration helped create instability in Ukraine, leading to a Mafia-like climate where potential Russian aggression leads to Ukraine demanding protection. Protection money is easily extorted, benefiting Hunter Biden and indirectly Joe Biden.

After the coup, the US installed leaders and the Biden’s began moving money from Ukrain to the family coffers. ...

We now know that Nuland visited Sudan recently to encourage the country not to align with Russia.

Timeline of events in Sudan (at link).

What is happening in Sudan?
– Russia agrees with Sudan on the construction of a naval base.
– Biden talks Sudan out of the deal. Biden allocates $288 million to Sudan.
– Victoria Nuland is coming to Sudan. A month later, war begins in Sudan.

— Djole 🇷🇸 (@onlydjole) April 25, 2023

Someone should have told Sudan about Victoria Nuland. Death follows her. ...”

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4148667/posts

From the evidence that’s come out in Congressional hearings, the bulk (by far) of Bidens influence peddling grift has come out of China, not Ukraine.

Ukraine was, I think, incidental in the controversies of 2018-19. Burisima-Hunter Biden was a case that Trump could latch on to because it was blatant and well documented. Everyone concerned was too dumb to cover their tracks. And the Democrats hit back with an absurd impeachment.

And then people started constructing fantasies (like yours, above) around Ukraine, because the name was in the news.

Truth - Ukraine was just another instance of grift by the penny-ante crooks that are the Biden family. Its not the center of the US political universe.

Its All Over Except ...: "Wrong. It wouldn’t have had the level of embarrassment it had then, with their silly wxcusez if you were correct, regardless of the monies at that link."

I don't see where anyone is "embarrassed", but it doesn't matter because a frank discussion among diplomats does not constitute or imply some nefarious US "engineering" of Ukraine's Euro-Maidan revolt.

Its All Over Except ...: "2nd, you’re quick to give the Obama regime the benefit of the doubt when he was clearly a warmonger, but you like that sort of thing"

As I seem to remember, Obama abandoned Iraq, almost as disgracefully as Biden abandoned Afghanistan, then Obama turned over much of Syria to ISIS.
I wouldn't call those actions "war-mongering".

As for giving Obama the benefit of the doubt", there seems to be no doubt that Obama, and many others, supported Ukraine's Euro-Maidan revolt against Russian domineering in 2013-14.
You may remember that Obama also "supported" Iran's Green Revolution in 2009-10, but in reality, did nothing to help and so it was crushed by Iran's Moola Mullahs.
Nothing I've seen suggests Obama's support for Ukraine was markedly more than what he did, or rather didn't do, in Iran.

Its All Over Except ...: "3rd, Trump has more trustworthiness than you."

As a pro-Russian propagandist, you have no trustworthiness at all.
And I've heard or seen nothing from Trump which disagrees with what I've posted here.
Trump has accurately said that if he'd been president, there would be no Russian invasion of Ukraine, and that he can bring the war to an end very quickly.
I'm certain those are true.

Its All Over Except ...: "4th, there are videos of McCain and Nuland stoking the crowds in Ukraine."

Nooooo... your own video showed McCain and Connecticut Democrat Senator Murphy at a news conference in December 2013, in which Murphy announced his support for sanctions against individuals in the anti-EuroMaidan government who might commit violence against the protestors.

Its All Over Except ...: "After violent events associated with the Maidan revolution protests, Ukraine’s parliament ousted President Viktor Yanukovich in February 2014 and replaced him with Petro Poroshenko.
Disposed Yanukovich was an existential threat because his amicable relations with Russia impeded Ukraine from becoming a European member and NATO from expanding to Russia’s border. "

First, you know for certain you are a pro-Russian propagandist if you call those events a "coup".
In fact, they were a 100% constitutionally legitimate impeachment of the treasonous Russian stooge, Yanukovych.
The vote in Ukraine's parliament was 328 to zero.

Second, at the same time Parliament impeached Yanukovych, it called for new elections in three months.

Third, in 2013 neither Ukraine's potential membership in NATO, nor in the EU, was "imminent" or used by Vlad the Invader to justify annexing Crimea.

Sen. McCain addressing crowd in Kiev, December 2013: