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To: semimojo
--- "As for Fauci and Birx, I think that in retrospect they made some flawed decisions but were operating in good faith."

Thank you for proving my point. Your advocacy of government is exemplary.

Among flaws in the decisions, another FR thread suggests: "Report 69: BOMBSHELL – Pfizer and FDA Knew in Early 2021 That Pfizer mRNA COVID “Vaccine” Caused Dire Fetal and Infant Risks, Including Death. They Began an Aggressive Campaign to Vaccinate Pregnant Women Anyway."

Source: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4149485/posts Source: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4149473/posts

For you likely not having read the document (link to the 2020 WHO PDF), I will add this. "A death due to COVID-19 is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID disease (e.g. trauma). There should be no period of complete recovery from COVID-19 between illness and death." Did we notice influenza disappeared as a stat for some time? Ditto pneumonia and other respiratory ailments? "Compatible illness" and voilà Covid stat....

And so, like Pelosi declaring Trump had to prove himself 'Innocent," an inversion of our rights, the WHO inverted the game. Prove it's not.... Pretty clever game.

You assert, "So that means in the US 1.2 million people died from Covid or from poor treatment for Covid." Yes, indeed. Many were denied alternative medical treatments, with some medications banned outright by the CDC/FDA in order to support the EUA, and many died from those now famous "co-morbidities," and then the 16 April 2020 methods were applied. We can discuss also the percentages of damage from kidney-impairing remdesivir, which apparently was part of Fauci's "gold standard" as he operated "in good faith." Odd that deaths due to Covid-19 in the US were documented as for times higher -- with all that "good faith" -- as many other nations in the world, particularly the third world generally outside the reach of "good faith."

And the check is in the mail. In good faith. Really....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacomotognini/2021/04/06/meet-the-40-new-billionaires-who-got-rich-fighting-covid-19/?sh=3e9ec49117e5

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4129289/posts

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4149473/posts

108 posted on 04/30/2023 6:35:47 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
Your advocacy of government is exemplary.

Skepticism about vast conspiracy theories isn't advocacy of government.

Among flaws in the decisions, another FR thread suggests:

That article represents a very poor understanding of adverse event data or dishonesty. Given the consistency with which Naomi misrepresents the data I suspect the latter.

Specifically, the article states:

"It reveals that Pfizer and the FDA knew in early 2021 that Pfizer’s mRNA COVID vaccine, BNT162b2, resulted in:"

But that's not true. Adverse events are ones that occur subsequent to a vaccination but are not assumed to be the result of the vaccination.

At least not by honest people.

In the case of a trial the adverse events are evaluated to see if they are occurring more frequently than one would expect in the population and events of concern are followed up on to see if there's a probable tie to the vaccine.

What the Daily Clout author fails to do is tie any of the events to the vaccines or to show the events are happening at a higher rate than in a similar unvaccinated population.

Adverse event data abuse is rampant among anti-vaxers and it's just stupid.

Did we notice influenza disappeared as a stat for some time?

Yes, we did, and given that we have extremely fast and simple antigen tests for influenza we can be confident that the disease really did disappear. (As an aside, my FIL got influenza B in late 2020 and was one of fewer than 100 recorded cases in my state.)

Yes, indeed. Many were denied alternative medical treatments, with some medications banned outright by the CDC/FDA in order to support the EUA, and many died from those now famous "co-morbidities," and then the 16 April 2020 methods were applied. We can discuss also the percentages of damage from kidney-impairing remdesivir, which apparently was part of Fauci's "gold standard" as he operated "in good faith."

The point is, we had over a million deaths in the US where Covid was the proximate cause.

...deaths due to Covid-19 in the US were documented as for times higher -- with all that "good faith" -- as many other nations in the world, particularly the third world generally outside the reach of "good faith."

Many were also outside the reach of effective public health surveillance. Based on excess death data global Covid deaths were vastly underreported.

"Msemburi and colleagues set out to estimate excess deaths from COVID-19 for every country in the world. The authors report that there were between 13.2 million and 16.6 million more deaths than expected in 2020 and 2021. This death toll was between 2.4 and 3.1 times higher than the officially reported number of COVID-19-related deaths."

Note that in the US the excess deaths very closely match the recorded Covid deaths.

109 posted on 04/30/2023 9:31:15 AM PDT by semimojo
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