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Now it gets murky, can opening the storm door be attempting to illegally enter?

Wouldn't want to be the gun owner in Missouri, look what happened to those lawyers that used guns to protect themselves in St Louis.

1 posted on 04/18/2023 5:49:45 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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“Lester has since been charged with two felonies”

Sounds to me this has NOTHING TO DO with Stand Your Ground.


2 posted on 04/18/2023 5:53:48 AM PDT by BobL
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If the young man rang the doorbell and waited, then what is the stand your ground issue? It seems like for SYG to operate, you would need to be in danger.


3 posted on 04/18/2023 5:54:14 AM PDT by Chicory
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I feel so sorry, that this is an old man. Yet, I knew that was most likely.

I fear he is guilty of manslaughter. But, he doesn’t deserve to be lynched by these bastard race-whiners and rioters.

The only racial component is that the man probably thought a black kid coming to the door at 10 pm can’t be a good thing. Otherwise Im sure the old man didn’t shoot him only because he’d love to shoot a black guy. But that is how these race-whiners and hustlers and the liberal media make it out to be.


4 posted on 04/18/2023 5:55:55 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV.)
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Why do all these young people keep going to the wrong address? It seems to be an epidemic.


5 posted on 04/18/2023 5:56:57 AM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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if the kid attempted to open the door, that changes everything.

It was a horrible accident, but at least justified.

But if it can be proven that the kid never attempted to open the door, then it was a bad shoot and still a horrible accident, and the man should at a minimum pay for the kids hospital bills.


6 posted on 04/18/2023 6:00:11 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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> he heard Yarl pulling on the storm door <

That’s probably true. But that alone did not put the homeowner’s life in danger. Trying to break through a door, yes. Just pulling on it, no.

This is obviously a very tragic case. Gun guy messed up bad. Ten years imprisonment seems about right.


7 posted on 04/18/2023 6:01:19 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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he heard Yarl pulling on the storm door,

Hmmm

14 posted on 04/18/2023 6:09:13 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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I have neighbors who once in awhile knock on my door and if I don’t get there to open it will put something inside my storm door if it is unlocked.

Ten o’clock at night might scare me if someone was pulling on or jiggling the storm door handle. If they persisted, I would dial 911 first.

So it seems like this, the kid made a mistake and went to the wrong house thinking his siblings were in there. He rang the bell and jiggled the handle to get their attention.

The old man was terrified when saw the person and heard the pulling on the door handle, so he opened the door and shot through the glass.

It was tragic error on both their parts. It could have been worse if either one died.

Oh, and this is pure speculation because the facts are murky and change often.


16 posted on 04/18/2023 6:16:48 AM PDT by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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I saw this remarkable quote in another article.

“If the roles were reversed, how much outraged would there be in America?” civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who has been retained by the family, asked CNN on Monday.

Uh, absolutely none, race hustler Crump. We’ve had incidents of white and Asian children being murdered in cold blood by black hoodlums and there is deafening silence from the BLM types.


18 posted on 04/18/2023 6:21:28 AM PDT by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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God I hope not. This guy who shot the kid was wrong. He’s damn lucky he survived. Ten years in prison should teach him not to randomly shoot people who don’t have bad intentions.


20 posted on 04/18/2023 6:25:56 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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Wouldn’t want to be the gun owner in Missouri,


All depends on where in MO you live.

St. Louis has a Soros-backed DA who not only went after the governor (and got him using underhanded tactics0, and the lawyers who dared to display firearms to a mob crashing into their neighborhood, but also is pretty keen on letting real criminals off the hook.

But most of MO is quite conservative, criminals do get prosecuted, and trust me, the legislature will not be touching ‘Stand your ground’ or the ‘Castle doctrine’


24 posted on 04/18/2023 6:33:13 AM PDT by hanamizu
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This had nothing to do with “stand your ground.” But it will be deemed to be all about it for political fodder.


27 posted on 04/18/2023 6:40:02 AM PDT by fwdude (Society has been fully polarized now, and you have to decide on which pole you want to be found.)
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[[“stand your ground” statutes and “castle doctrine”]]

Neither of which helped the mcklutskies (spelling, cant remember their names right now) in their state which has both those doctrines/laws. The castle doctrine covers even the outside of the home- the grounds which you own I beleive. They were charged with brandishing, but they had a perfect right to aim their gun wherever they wanted as they were in fear for their lives and were protecting themselves and their property after the violent destructive mob declared that they were going to kill them.


34 posted on 04/18/2023 6:58:00 AM PDT by Bob434 (question )
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This is not a Stand Your Ground case.


37 posted on 04/18/2023 7:00:37 AM PDT by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing )
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... was trying to pick up his siblings from a friend’s house and went to the wrong address.

No sale! Nope. Not buying it.

44 posted on 04/18/2023 7:10:26 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust!)
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Never let any opportunity go to waste! Dims will never quit until we are completely and utterly defenseless.


47 posted on 04/18/2023 7:18:14 AM PDT by vpintheak (Live free, or die!)
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There's a huge effort, including fedgov, msm and Hollywood, including Halle Berry, behind building the myth, for this one.

In the first sentence, we know that the homeowner is White, the kid is black and there is, supposedly, a"racial component" to the story.

We only see a photo of Yarl, in a hospital bed, eyes closed, head wrapped in bandages, giving the impression that he's clinging to life.

In fact, he's already home.

I'm guessing a graze wound that didn't penetrate the skull, but we have to keep the narrative alive.

The most common form of home invasion is for the perp to ring the bell and when the door is opened, to push their way in, especially, with elderly.

The whole "wrong house" narrative is going to take a lot more evidence for me to believe.

52 posted on 04/18/2023 7:21:34 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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If the kid got aggressive and was trying to open the door (fingerprints) late in the evening then that changes a lot.

Most 84-year-old men don’t have much fight left in them physically, their bodies are mostly hollow and frail which means they can stand, and they can walk, but they can’t meet a teen’s charge and use their bodies in a fighting situation, the bones and muscles have been replaced with arthritis and brittle bones and joints that don’t work.

We’ll have to see how the evidence goes.


64 posted on 04/18/2023 8:41:18 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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Hard to claim one is in fear for their life if they walk up to the door and open it.


73 posted on 04/18/2023 9:17:37 AM PDT by Armscor38
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I read, yesterday that Yarl said that it took the man an unusually long time to respond. It didn’t say if he was knocking or ringing the doorbell. It certainly didn’t mention opening the storm door. I also read that the Michael Brown lawyer was speaking for the family.


78 posted on 04/18/2023 11:57:56 AM PDT by Eva
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