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Ralph Yarl shooting may revive ‘stand your ground’ debate: About the laws
Washington Post via MSN ^ | April 18, 2023 | Kelsey Ables

Posted on 04/18/2023 5:49:45 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?

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To: BobL

>Thanks, I figured that there was more to the story than just a guy trying find a house.

Yesterday the media started saying he “entered the wrong house.”

VERY DIFFERENT


81 posted on 04/18/2023 3:00:58 PM PDT by struggle
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Kansas City Police Chief Graves said they were investigating whether the gunman was protected by Missouri’s “stand your ground” law, which allows people to use deadly force if they believe it will protect them from death or “great bodily harm.”

But as investigators and Lester’s legal defense look to the self-defense laws that may apply in this case, Sean D. O’Brien, a professor at University of Missouri Kansas City School of Law, tells TIME, “There’s still a reasonableness standard. He has to be able to point to something to say he was in fear of [the] ringing [of] the doorbell, and [Yarl] being Black by itself is not going to cut it.”

https://time.com/6272343/kansas-city-ralph-yarl-shot-protests/


82 posted on 04/18/2023 8:15:01 PM PDT by Texan4Life
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To: Texan4Life
"...being Black by itself is not going to cut it.”

Seeing an unknown young black man who forcibly enters your home without invitation after ringing the doorbell is a dammed good reason to be in fear of losing life or experiencing great bodily harm.

In fact, the man does not need to be black or young. Race is the most minor factor in a probable response. The pattern is "home invasion". The assessment and response choices must be made in about one fifth second if the door is already open.

The most probable correct response is to shoot the intruder immediately. That is particularly so if you are older and not able to physically resist the person in front of you. There are no second chances if you guess wrong.

Notice how the story keeps changing with additional details being disclosed.

Was the door opened before shots were fired or afterwards?

Who opened the door?

Did the young man enter the home?

Did the young man say anything to the homeowner?

Did the young man touch the homeowner?

I expect the young man was convinced that his siblings were in that house and was righteously aggressive, belligerent, and demanding that the homeowner produce them. Not smart tactics when approaching an unfamiliar residence.

83 posted on 04/18/2023 9:29:46 PM PDT by flamberge (Laws mean nothing in these lawless times.)
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To: flamberge

The boy didn’t enter the home. He was shot through the glass outer door. According to Lester himself, they did not exchange words.


84 posted on 04/18/2023 9:46:08 PM PDT by Ladybird99
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To: Leaning Right

Some Secret Service guys showed up in Powers, OR, years ago. investigating some overheard bar talk threatening Obama. Blown out of proportion, and after messing with a few of the locals, they asked about the shortest way back to I-5...Heh, heh, heh...


85 posted on 04/18/2023 10:26:15 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Ladybird99
The boy didn’t enter the home....

Then things aren't looking good for Lester.

86 posted on 04/19/2023 7:28:49 AM PDT by flamberge (Laws mean nothing in these lawless times.)
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To: dforest
The old man was terrified when saw the person and heard the pulling on the door handle, so he opened the door and shot through the glass.

He was just following his President's lead!


87 posted on 04/19/2023 7:39:28 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Gun laws empower criminals. Guns empower the people.)
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To: flamberge

Face it. The kid did not enter the house nor did he demand anything. The old man shot him through the glass because he was scared and then he opened the door and shot the kid in the arm while he was on the ground.


88 posted on 04/19/2023 7:44:57 AM PDT by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I feel sorry for him too, but if he went to the door with gun in hand he needed to have a vague notion of what he intended to do with it.

Living with that much fear, why did he feel compelled to open the door at all???


89 posted on 04/19/2023 8:43:15 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
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To: dforest
Face it.....

Yes, I can face possibility that it was a bad shoot.

If all of the facts you cited turn out to be true, there is no question that it will be a bad shoot.

Every one of those "facts" has been contradicted by early reports. But I do know what they say about early reports. Later reports seem to be firming up. I am still looking for the unredacted police report.

Things don't look good for Lester.

90 posted on 04/19/2023 2:11:24 PM PDT by flamberge (Laws mean nothing in these lawless times.)
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