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Yep. Similarly though, if find a lot of American liberals believe Europe is ‘so much better than us’ because they once visited a couple of places, so they now think they’re sooOOOooo cultured....all those social programs.

I grew up in the UK, born and raised. I still have family & friends over there - but I’m a different person now and I *know* they don’t get America like they think they do. Every time I return I see more clearly what I never saw while living there - and neither do they because they’re saturated in it (besides the fact that it is almost unrecognizable in many parts now).

Understanding these dynamics is fascinating, especially when you know those you’re talking to really don’t understand it at all. Of course, every member of my family ‘knows’ what everyone thinks of Trump.

Yep. I lived in 4 countries in Europe and speak German and Hungarian. Its undeniable that a lot of European cities are way more cultured than American cities. They have museums of art and history that blow ours away. They have palaces and castles opera houses that are gorgeous. They have wonderful symphony orchestras and really beautiful old cafes, etc.

Notice that every single one of those things is due to their history. NONE of it is due to the higher level of socialism.

I tell Lefties in the US I'd love for us to be more like Europe.

I want to have as many nuclear power plants per capita as France.

I want to have the election integrity laws all of them have - ie very strict rules on absentee voting, you have to show up on election day, show government issued photo ID, vote on paper ballots, meaningful right to observe and challenge the count for all political parties, etc etc

They even all have much stricter limits on abortion.

Several of them have strict restrictions on what students have to do to qualify for government assistance for higher education, etc

almost none of the woke crap is permitted on the Continent

Oddly, Leftists in America don't seem to want to adopt any of that.