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Posted on 03/24/2023 2:27:24 PM PDT by delta7
I get hate mail from Ukrainian Nazis routinely now. They of course deny there are any Nazis ever. Yesterday it was “You are definitely on the wrong side of history” and of course calling all Russians “scum” while Ukraine walks on water and is so honorable it makes me sick.
Here we have Zelensky bragging about how Ukraine will be the biggest bonanza in European history. As for the American “titans” lobbying for more destruction and death so they can make money, I can only warn them – what goes around comes around. They have no problem advocating drafting your children to die on Ukrainian territory for their lucrative construction projects.
Sorry – I only wish them what they wish to put others through for their profits and bottom line, When this is done, they will probably also flee to Dubai like Halliburton for the Iraq War to avoid American subpoenas. So jump up and down cheering war for dollars. I for one will not invest 1 cent in any company joining Ukraine. I lost most of my high school friends for Vietnam and their profits back then. Screw you and your manipulation of human lives for profit.
And as for Ukrainians, how blind do you have to be not to see the real enemy is home-grown?
We are the most deceived people in the world.
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Judging by the amount of Americans that were deceived by Biden’s unsafe and ineffective jabs, it is obvious. Amazingly enough, the same crowd bought into senile Joes Ukie war, hook, line and sinker. Fool me once, fool me twice…..when do Americans wake up?
Whatever the case, let there be no doubt we (the U.S.) crapped the mess kit on this one.
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Beginning with senile Joe’s sanctions. The Ruble is at all time highs, their inflation dropping, Russia making billions in energy, ……….the collective West spiraling down with unpayable debt, the Western banking system collapsing, ( Note Credit Suisse, SVB, just the start), I haven’t seen any Russian banks collapsing…..thanks senile Joe for destroying world trade, everything you do shoots us in the foot….carry on war cheerleaders……
I don’t think we will wake up. We are too far gone as a people and have believed most of the constant deceptions. We shall see.
I think the followers of Mackinder theory are going to get a lot of people killed.
There’s nothing wrong with the theory - whoever controls the heartland controls the world - but the people who understand it thoroughly and use it for total world domination are psychopaths. They are twisted Straussians. (Yes, they are.)
I don’t think Russia and China will allow that to happen, but the fools in DC and London don’t Understand THAT.
May you live in interesting times...the Chinese curse.
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Time to change your FReeper name. That was really retarded.
Chauncey - you repeated the lie about “expanding NATO” — no promise was made
Gorbachev and the documents show ZERO promise not to enlarge
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
What the Germans, Americans, British and French did agree to in 1990 was that there would be no deployment of non-German NATO forces on the territory of the former GDR. I was a deputy director on the State Department’s Soviet desk at the time, and that was certainly the point of Secretary James Baker’s discussions with Gorbachev and his foreign minister, Eduard Shevardnadze. In 1990, few gave the possibility of a broader NATO enlargement to the east any serious thought.
The agreement on not deploying foreign troops on the territory of the former GDR was incorporated in Article 5 of the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany, which was signed on September 12, 1990 by the foreign ministers of the two Germanys, the United States, Soviet Union, Britain and France. Article 5 had three provisions:
1. Until Soviet forces had completed their withdrawal from the former GDR, only German territorial defense units not integrated into NATO would be deployed in that territory.
2. There would be no increase in the numbers of troops or equipment of U.S., British and French forces stationed in Berlin.
3. Once Soviet forces had withdrawn, German forces assigned to NATO could be deployed in the former GDR, but foreign forces and nuclear weapons systems would not be deployed there.
When one reads the full text of the Woerner speech
http://nato.int/docu/speech/1990/s900517a_e.htm
cited by Putin, it is clear that the secretary general’s comments referred to NATO forces in eastern Germany, not a broader commitment not to enlarge the Alliance.
Former Soviet President Gorbachev’s View
We now have a very authoritative voice from Moscow confirming this understanding. Russia behind the Headlines has published an interview with Gorbachev,http://rbth.com/international/2014/10/16/mikhail_gorbachev_i_am_against_all_walls_40673.html
who was Soviet president during the discussions and treaty negotiations concerning German reunification. The interviewer asked why Gorbachev did not “insist that the promises made to you [Gorbachev]—particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East—be legally encoded?” Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”
Gorbachev continued that “The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been obeyed all these years.” To be sure, the former Soviet president criticized NATO enlargement and called it a violation of the spirit of the assurances given Moscow in 1990, but he made clear there was no promise regarding broader enlargement.
Several years after German reunification, in 1997, NATO said that in the “current and foreseeable security environment” there would be no permanent stationing of substantial combat forces on the territory of new NATO members. Up until the Russian military occupation of Crimea in March, there was virtually no stationing of any NATO combat forces on the territory of new members. Since March, NATO has increased the presence of its military forces in the Baltic region and Central Europe.
Putin is not stupid, and his aides surely have access to the former Soviet records from the time and understand the history of the commitments made by Western leaders and NATO. But the West’s alleged promise not to enlarge the Alliance will undoubtedly remain a standard element of his anti-NATO spin. That is because it fits so well with the picture that the Russian leader seeks to paint of an aggrieved Russia, taken advantage of by others and increasingly isolated—not due to its own actions, but because of the machinations of a deceitful West.
Here is the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany
to summarize , it means that Soviet forces would withdraw from East Germany, and that no foreign forces would be stationed there afterwards. In other words, after the withdrawal of Soviet troops, only the German military would be allowed to be stationed in the former East Germany.
NOTE — not in the former East Germany.
Absolutely NOTHING about going to Poland, the Baltics etc.
So stop repeating the lie about “promised to not go one inch further east”
Double talk, NATO’s expansion is primarily to blame for this war…NATO has expanded aggressively and finally went “ one bridge to far “, the price to pay is being felt worldwide. Watch the old WW2 movie “ A Bridge to Far “ to see how Biden’s Ukie war ends.
The Democrats manufactured the Russian Derangement Syndrome from the Obama days, which has curiously infected only the collective West, the shame is how many bought into it, Russiagate, Meullergate, Trump’s impeachments, all based on lies.
Cary on war cheerleaders, your road leads to destruction.
You accusing Gorbachev of double talk?
Gorbachev said clearly that no promise was made about “no expansion east”
Same guy?
Martin Arthur Armstrong (born November 1, 1949) is an American self-taught economic forecaster and convicted felon who spent 11 years in jail for cheating investors out of $700 million and hiding $15 million in assets from regulators.
What is it with Putinists and felon worshipping? Very odd.
>>I doubt that the Ukrainians are Nazis. The Nazis were defeated 80 years ago. But I know the Russians are communists.
Nazism, i.e., fascism, is based on central-planning of the economy, but with some privately-owned industry that is heavily-regulated by the state. Under communism the state owns and controls everything: the people, industry, the land ... everything. Both are central-planners, which is the opposite of republicanism. Leftists, such as Hitler, Stalin, democrats, labor unions — leftists generally — despise republicanism.
Mr. Kalamata
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