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When Will Stubborn Trump Loyalists Face Inconvenient Truths?
American Thinker ^ | 03/24/23 | Geoffrey Hunt

Posted on 03/24/2023 9:27:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Stubborn Trump supporters, especially the most fervent, seem unwilling to challenge the deedless covenant, ask the hard questions that if answered truthfully would confirm that Donald Trump has been a supreme letdown, and his failures -- including the re-election debacle -- self-inflicted.

Promises made, promises kept? Not when it mattered.

Drain the swamp? Spinning around in an airboat.

Trump never cleaned up the FBI, instead hired the Dem sympathizer Christopher Wray as Director, and except for a few gratuitous tweets about his incompetence, left him in place.

Gina Haspel, CIA chief, kept the job until the last day despite the likelihood she was knee-deep with John Brennan in the active sabotage of Trump’s 2015-2016 campaign and incoming president-elect transition.

Trump appointed, then tolerated clueless insubordinates and leakers like Rex Tillerson, John Kelly, JR McMaster, James Mattis, and Gary Cohn, until the damage was done, and Trump’s agenda crippled.

When will unyielding Trump loyalists answer the following questions?

Why did Trump endlessly rail against billions in federal budget giveaways to Dem darlings like Planned Parenthood, and Marxist countries, but signed the bills anyhow?

Why couldn’t Trump get illegal immigration fixed -- beyond executive orders easily overturned — and get Obamacare reversed when he had a Republican Senate and House? Why did Trump let Paul Ryan ruin his platform? Why did Trump deliberately antagonize John McCain knowing McCain would undercut the final vote on debriding Obamacare? Why did Trump willfully persist with a toxic persona, alienating suburban voters that cost him (and us) the House in 2018 and led to the first impeachment and a MAGA agenda declared morte by the Democrats?

Why did Trump never de-classify all the Obamagate documents, and release all of the Biden laptop evidence?

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To: Revel

Very first thing was try to setup a commission about it. Stone walled at the state level and Repukes piling on telling hom to accept he didn’t win the popular vote. You need to know where to target your anger. Trump is not the right target


101 posted on 03/24/2023 10:09:39 AM PDT by wiseprince (Me,)
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To: V_TWIN

I’m not certain he had any choice. He had to have a MAJOR win due to a tanked economy right before election. I firmly believe state Governors (Republicans and Democrats) colluded to tank the economy by shutting down their states. They knew if the economy stayed where it was that Trump was a shoe in. The Republican Governors who shut down their states were no fan of Trump. I don’t believe he had any other option but to rush that vaccine for any hopes of winning reelection


102 posted on 03/24/2023 10:09:50 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: SeekAndFind

No genuine fact-based truth is ever “inconvenient”. The inconvenience occurs when someone tries to DENY the truth.

Donald Trump does not deny truth, but he does his very best to winnow the chaff of lies from the kernel of truth that lies beneath, and sometimes that takes a powerful effort to separate the two versions of explanations for reality.

What is specious and plausible often comes disguised as “the truth”, but in the end, these explanations are the real inconvenience.


103 posted on 03/24/2023 10:10:29 AM PDT by alloysteel (Why do you call everybody "@sshole"? Because it is gender neutral.)
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To: Nifster

“Why wouldn’t he believe them?”

If Trump has an Achilles heel it’s judgment in who to appoint and who he can trust.....fauci, birx, Scaramucci, sessions and pence immediately come to mind and I’m sure there’s more.

Like I said, I’m sure his heart was in the right place but boy......what a mess.


104 posted on 03/24/2023 10:11:57 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: standing man

At the risk of being flamed, we have lost the fight unless we are willing to think outside the box. The media is against us, the deep state is against us, the Rino’s are against us , the NWO is against us, the Democrats are against us. Where do we turn. The CONSTITUTION. We have lost in the courts on procedure and standing, not on evidence. It is time to establish a nationwide circuit of Citizens Grand Juries, look at the evidence of fraud in the 2020 election and act on it. The Supreme Court has accepted the legality and constitutionality of citizens forming grand jurys outside of the judicial system to examine evidence, bring charges and meet punishment. I know the Citizens Grand Jury has been abused and damaged by its use by whackjobs in the past, that do not destroy the Constitutional basis for it.
What the Courts won’t look at we must.
What the media won’t cover we should post handbills on
When opposed by Rino’s we should remove them from office.
I know this sounds trite but I truly believe that we are running out of time to save our Republic.
I think Lincoln said something like this”We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to destroy the Constitution, but to destroy those who would pervert the Constitution.

Flame on
Brad


105 posted on 03/24/2023 10:12:36 AM PDT by standing man (stand tall)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Here is the trouble Trump had

1. He doesn’t have anyone who he can trust outside his family. Pretty common among high level executives.
2. The quality people who know the job are opposed to everything he stand for. So you won’t get a career politician to work for Trump. It is a career ending move.
3. Any staffer or such that works for Trump finds themselves locked out of a future. That attracts either the very young, or the ready to retire.
4. Trump is Trump. He is a megalomanic at best. Not a barrier to office, but Trump is a showman. In the open. No filter. Wild swings. For a system with people in it for over 50 years, that is impossible to deal with.


106 posted on 03/24/2023 10:12:39 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: standing man

Other than that I have no strong opinions on the topic. Lol


107 posted on 03/24/2023 10:13:13 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh STFU.

Trump, Best president since Washington.

After 4 more years, Best president EVER!


108 posted on 03/24/2023 10:13:18 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: dfwgator

Yes. There are plenty of captive opposition Republican candidates in the wings.


109 posted on 03/24/2023 10:13:51 AM PDT by TheDon (Resist the usurpers! Remember the J6 political prisoners!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Trump never cleaned up the FBI,

What load of horsesh$t.

This moron is a obviously a Never Trumper or establishment goon if he's making that argument.

Trump had no control over his choices for AG or FBI director. McConnell and the RINOs in the Senate blocked anyone he wanted to choose that would have cleaned up the corruption.

That argument is as ridiculous has condemning him for not getting more of the wall completed when Congress, including Republicans, blocked funding for the wall.

There is NO candidate that is more of a threat a bigger threat to Deep State and uniparty establishment as proven by the lengths they went to rig the 2020 election and the way they have and continue to desperately try to frame him for crimes he didn't commit.

110 posted on 03/24/2023 10:14:08 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: MayflowerMadam
McConnell held a veto over it all. He told Trump who would get confirmed by the Senate.

Since McConnell's still there, and is expected to be in 2024, why would we want Trump as President just to let McConnell make his picks for him again? Just asking, thanks.

111 posted on 03/24/2023 10:14:56 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Florida is where WOKE goes to DIE!)
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To: lastchance

Very good point. He exposed so much rot in corruption in DC.


112 posted on 03/24/2023 10:17:24 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: HombreSecreto

He also smashed the Clinton and Bush “we are entitled to the White House” dynasties. May they never return.


113 posted on 03/24/2023 10:17:25 AM PDT by Cecily ( )
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To: wiseprince

Trump shut the government down because he wanted our government to pay for the wall, that he had just promised to get Mexico to pay for. Funny thing was, he never even offered up a plan for how to get Mexico to pay for it. He just acted like he never promised that, and immediately worked to put the burden on US taxpayers.


114 posted on 03/24/2023 10:17:48 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Florida is where WOKE goes to DIE!)
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To: redgolum

I think every one of those are the reasons I WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM

You see them as negatives? Interesting...


115 posted on 03/24/2023 10:17:55 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)
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To: cowboyusa

“But, can he win in 2024??”

He can easily win an honest election in 2024.

So to answer your question. No.

Unless our election process is radically overhauled


116 posted on 03/24/2023 10:18:40 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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To: SeekAndFind
Stubborn Trump supporters, especially the most fervent, seem unwilling to challenge the deedless covenant, ask the hard questions that if answered truthfully would confirm that Donald Trump has been a supreme letdown, and his failures -- including the re-election debacle -- self-inflicted.

I'd say stubborn NeverTrumpers are unwilling to ask the hard questions, admit that Trump actually did what the people they voted for for decades promised to do but were unwilling to do once in office, and refuse to admit the 2020 Election was clearly stolen.

Promises made, promises kept? Not when it mattered.

Overturning Roe doesn't matter? Since when? Conservatives had been aching for that for 50 years. Trump delivered. Energy Independence? That had been America's goal since the first oil shock of the 1970s. Trump delivered. Stay out of foreign wars? Trump delivered. Secure the border? Trump delivered - in the teeth of fierce opposition from the RINO establishment and the Democrat controlled Congress. Get fairer trade deals? Trump delivered. Those things all mattered.

Drain the swamp? Spinning around in an airboat.

Here you're correct. Trump had 2 big failings. He made some bad personnel choices and he thought he could work with the RINO Establishment. Like the rest of us, he didn't realize quite how corrupt they were. I think he's learned his lesson on that one as have we.

Trump never cleaned up the FBI, instead hired the Dem sympathizer Christopher Wray as Director, and except for a few gratuitous tweets about his incompetence, left him in place.

You can thank the Turtle and the rest of the RINO Establishment who recommended him. I think Trump has learned from this and will take a blowtorch to the FIB next time.

Gina Haspel, CIA chief, kept the job until the last day despite the likelihood she was knee-deep with John Brennan in the active sabotage of Trump’s 2015-2016 campaign and incoming president-elect transition.

Again, Trump's deference to the RINO Establishment is to blame here. I agree it was a big mistake but I blame the lying, backstabbing, corrupt weasels in the Romney/Bush/Cheney wing of the party far more.

Trump appointed, then tolerated clueless insubordinates and leakers like Rex Tillerson, John Kelly, JR McMaster, James Mattis, and Gary Cohn, until the damage was done, and Trump’s agenda crippled.

He fired/ran off all of the above.

When will unyielding Trump loyalists answer the following questions? Why did Trump endlessly rail against billions in federal budget giveaways to Dem darlings like Planned Parenthood, and Marxist countries, but signed the bills anyhow?

For the same reason that Reagan did. The President is not all powerful and you have to make some ugly deals to get what you want done. Why didn't the RINO Establishment eliminate those things when they had complete control of Congress?

Why couldn’t Trump get illegal immigration fixed -- beyond executive orders easily overturned

Because the RINOs in Congress wouldn't vote for it. He stopped the flood of illegals and built a helluva lot of wall despite Congress' obstruction. The president is not an all powerful dictator.

— and get Obamacare reversed when he had a Republican Senate and House?

The name is John McCain. You might want to look him up some time.

Why did Trump let Paul Ryan ruin his platform?

He didn't.

Why did Trump deliberately antagonize John McCain knowing McCain would undercut the final vote on debriding Obamacare?

Why was McCain such a Neocon and a tool? Why did the RINO Establishment support him?

Why did Trump willfully persist with a toxic persona, alienating suburban voters that cost him (and us) the House in 2018 and led to the first impeachment and a MAGA agenda declared morte by the Democrats?

Why are you asking dishonest questions? Its GOOD that Trump hits back at lying Leftists. That's exactly what they need. Its about Damn time we had a Republican who would actually stand and fight and gasp!....I hope you're standing next to your fainting couch lest you get the vapors....HIT BACK. Trump didn't cost Republicans the House. What the hell did Republicans in the House do? They had 2 years to implement everything the Republican party had spent decades saying it wanted. Yet they sat on their hands and did NOTHING aside from pass a tax bill. You can thank your boy Paul Ryant for that.

Why did Trump never de-classify all the Obamagate documents, and release all of the Biden laptop evidence?

You do realize the Turtle told him he had the votes to impeach during Shampeachment II if Trump did any of that, declassified the Kennedy docs, pardoned Snowden or Assange, etc...right? Your beef is with the RINO Establishment - not the one guy who has displayed the guts to actually stand and fight for the things the American people want - Donald J Trump..

I'm done with you.

117 posted on 03/24/2023 10:19:57 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Kazan
Trump had no control over his choices for AG or FBI director. McConnell and the RINOs in the Senate blocked anyone he wanted to choose that would have cleaned up the corruption.

So when he now says he's going to destroy the deep state we can assume it's just more bluster?

Why will next time be different?

118 posted on 03/24/2023 10:20:31 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: devane617

I’ll take his accomplishments over the fake news/ hoaxes etc that was put upon him/us any day. And you can bet that whoever the republicans put up that candidate will be subject to the same nonsense. Unless he is a deep state rino.


119 posted on 03/24/2023 10:21:58 AM PDT by lilypad
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To: Brian Griffin

>>> The vaccines saved many lives and enabled the economy to reopen fully.

There is no evidence whatsoever to support this claim.

The death rate without ANY treatment was shown to be statistically even with the flu. That is fact.

Therefore, there was no reason to shut down the economy.

Trump put his trust in Fauci as to what should happen next. That was his mistake.

As to your claims on the jab’s effectiveness, you clearly don’t know the first thing about them.

Let me simply it for you... They inserted genetic instructions into your cells to manufacture a toxic foreign substance, expecting your immune system to mount an immune response. That is NOT a vaccine. That is a MAN MADE SYNTHETIC VIRUS. The genetic sequence for the spike protein DOES NOT EXIST IN NATURE! What they wanted and ADVERTISED was the production of antibodies... but what they got was inflammation of soft tissues due to massive levels of a protein that is based on SNAKE VENOM. As a result, the body not only produces antibodies (useless against variants) but also ATTACKS all tissues and ORGANS that are producing the toxic spike proteins!!!

Well, we have another word for that... it’s called an AUTO IMMUNE DISEASE... where the body attacks itself.

That is exactly what is happening now to every single person who took the jab and did not get the placebo.

Put simply, the jab is nothing less than a biological weapon... and Trump delivered it to his side of the isle.

How many conservatives or republicans would have taken it if Hillary would have been the “Mother” of these vaccines???


120 posted on 03/24/2023 10:22:03 AM PDT by Safrguns
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