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The Republican Party of Reagan would be Ukraine’s strongest supporters
The Hill ^ | 03/24/2023 | MIKE ROGERS

Posted on 03/24/2023 7:58:23 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

In 1984 on the 40th anniversary of D-Day, Ronald Reagan ascended the windswept stage of Pointe Du Hook, Normandy to commemorate one of the greatest sacrifices in the defense of freedom the world had ever seen.  

“We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars,” Reagan declared. “It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.” 

Nearly 40 years after he spoke those words, Reagan’s remarks should serve as a stark reminder and warning to leaders looking out at an increasingly unsettled world who are tempted by the siren’s call of American isolationism, rather than declaring and reaffirming the value of American leadership.

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To: ChicagoConservative27
The idea that Russia is attempting to storm through Europe is not borne by history, current events or circumstances.

This is territorial dispute, going on violently since 2014. Russia's inability to manage this skirmish is a key sign that expansionism would be folly.

The West's failure to resolve this through enforcement of the Minsk agreements is the foundation for the Russian action.

21 posted on 03/24/2023 8:11:31 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: cgbg

Reagan supported the Mujahadin in Afghanistan against the Soviets. And this was after the Islamic overthrow of Iran. He would absolutely have supported Ukraine.

Reagan would likely even have deployed NATO into Ukraine and driven the Russians back inside their borders within a month. And he’d have had Lance and Pershing IIs inside Ukraine during and after the war. The Soviet Union would have collapsed then and there.

Reagan knew the absolute fraud of the Soviet system which is why he was so confident in opposing it.


22 posted on 03/24/2023 8:11:46 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Here’s almost right — Reagan’s Vice President would have been one of Ukraine’s strongest supporter.


23 posted on 03/24/2023 8:12:26 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: allendale

Hey that’s not true. Joe Bidens son Beau died in Iraq during the war. I heard the president tell the story.


24 posted on 03/24/2023 8:12:39 AM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) Rufus T Firefly lives on. )
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To: Justa

The “Soviet system” is a historic artifact.

You want to fight ghosts.


25 posted on 03/24/2023 8:13:58 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

No he would not. It is a different time and a different place.

The war in Ukraine is a European affair, let them handle it.

But before they get too involved they might want to catch up on how a minor dispute turned into WWI, you know the GREAT WAR, the war to end all wars.


26 posted on 03/24/2023 8:14:18 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Oh, well if "The Hill" says so....

Ok, I stopped laughing.

You know they're losing when they invoke Reagan. Of course, Ronaldus Magnus isn't around to rebut this nonsense.

27 posted on 03/24/2023 8:14:52 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Article title: "The Republican Party of Reagan would be Ukraine’s strongest supporters"

Best response: And the Democrat Party in Reagan's day supported the communist Soviet Union.

28 posted on 03/24/2023 8:15:26 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Mike Rogers (R-MI)

Did not seek reelection to congress in 2014.

Freedom Index: https://thenewamerican.com/freedom-index/legislator/r000572/

Ballotpedia: https://ballotpedia.org/Mike_Rogers_(Michigan)


29 posted on 03/24/2023 8:16:41 AM PDT by Mr. N. Wolfe
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Would Reagan have been played by the Straussians into accepting their world view and plans?

I Kinda give Reagan the benefit of believing he was not, by blood or genetics, part of the secret club. But swayed by their persuasions to shape our foreign policies and to maintain the noble lie.


30 posted on 03/24/2023 8:16:43 AM PDT by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: cgbg

Russia itself is a historic artifact. It is also completely fraudulent, even moreso than the Soviet Union as it has no ideology other than plunder and exploitation -which is the basis of the Russian nation’s founding and purpose.


31 posted on 03/24/2023 8:18:03 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Russia is weaker now than in 1984, the establishment is a lot stronger. I know which one Reagan would have concentrated on defeating. If Reagan were still in charge, Russia wouldn’t be an enemy now.


32 posted on 03/24/2023 8:19:26 AM PDT by alternatives?
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To: ChicagoConservative27

This dumbass thinks he is still in Washington DC, where throwing around half-baked analogies and stupid slogans is enough to climb the greasy pole.


33 posted on 03/24/2023 8:19:28 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The Hill is unreadable. Reagan faced the Soviet Union, not Russia. At the time they had nuclear parity with us. Reagan knew they could not continue to maintain military parity as their economy was crashing. Reagan used the Star Wars initiative to force the Soviets to keep spending until they crashed. He did not need to fight a major proxy war to do it. Although arming the Mujahideen in Afghanistan did contribute to the end of the Soviet Union.

Reagan would never have broken our economy to support Poland or East Germany. Reagan utilized "Cost Benefit" analysis when it came to policy. We have not had a president since with the balls to return to cost benefit analysis so we remain mired in "Rights Benefit" analysis and up to our eyes in debt. There is NO cost benefit analysis in supporting the Ukraine. Send them some arms and ammo, but billions of dollars, hell no!

Problem with history is you have to study it before you write about it. Apparently that is not a requirement for Hill pundits.

34 posted on 03/24/2023 8:21:11 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO (No Caitiff Choir of Angels will sing for me. )
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To: alternatives?

Reagan was asked in 1988, if he thought the Soviet Union was still the Evil Empire, he said, “No.”

Reagan wanted to help Russia recover from the Soviet Era. His successors simply wanted to dance on their grave and exploit it.


35 posted on 03/24/2023 8:21:28 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: blackdog

Reagan confronted them in Afghanistan with Stinger missiles. Central America-Contras. Then think Star Wars. It’s not what you know it’s what others THINK you know. If he would have just ‘bounced’ a couple of torpedos off of those Cuban troop ships bound for Angola-wait that was Ford.

Afghanistan and Nicaragua were outside the Soviet orbit. In Ukraine they think like a kleptomaniac would.


36 posted on 03/24/2023 8:21:57 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Im pretty sure Gorby and the Gipper agreed no NATO on Russian borders. We have broken every promise since.


37 posted on 03/24/2023 8:22:12 AM PDT by Wilderness Conservative (Nature is the ultimate conservative)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Nope.
Two former Soviet states in a land squabble, let them fight.


38 posted on 03/24/2023 8:22:46 AM PDT by CapandBall
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The powerful propaganda machine directed by the Biden administration has done a good job selling their product. The pro-war position. If we had an honest press, I think the nation would be calling for peace.


39 posted on 03/24/2023 8:23:44 AM PDT by elpadre (nd )
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To: CIB-173RDABN

All the people around at the end of the Soviet Union - Reagan, Bush, Schultz, Weinberger, James Baker, even Dick Cheney, never would have imagined a Ukraine separated from Russia and certainly would have never considered a war with Russia over places right on its border, like Donbas and certainly not Crimea.

That came later, with the rise of neocons, their empire, and the globalist, woke bubble-thinking of Washington DC.


40 posted on 03/24/2023 8:26:00 AM PDT by PGR88
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