Ukraine's history is that it was in the hands on one group after another for hundred's of years, and the bounders kept changing as well."
The same could be said of many countries, but it's totally irrelevant to Ukraine today.
In 1991 Ukraine's current borders were recognized by the international community, including Russia.
That's the only thing that matters today.
Robert DeLong: "This conversation is over... "
Somehow, I doubt that.
Robert DeLong: "...you are like a leftist, a thick-headed dolt who refuses to learn anything, because you think you are so smart you know it all.
Like a leftist you also love to cherry pick information, while ignoring relevant information."
Well, first, you are here simply describing yourself and projecting your own nature onto me, incorrectly.
Second, there is no relevant information that justifies Vlad the Invader's assaults on Ukraine -- none, zero, zip, nada, zilch "relevant information" to justify Vlad, certainly none you've presented.
Robert DeLong: "Like I said, Ukraine did this to themselves by adopting hate to try subjugate tyranny over a major part of the population in eastern Ukraine."
And that's a total 100% lie, because prior to the EuroMaidan revolution in 2014, Ukraine was ruled by pro-Russian stooges, Yanukovych the president.
In February 2022, Yanukovych fled to Russia and committed treason, inviting Vlad the Invader to invade Ukraine!
Ukraine's parliament lawfully voted unanimously (328 to 0) to remove the traitor Yanukovych from office.
Yanukovych claimed that was a "coup", but it was 100% lawful and Yanukovych was a 100% traitor to Ukraine, as are those Ukrainians, whatever their language, who've waged war against their own country.
Robert DeLong: "I have no love for Putin, but I also equally have no love for Zelenskyy either.
Which is why I support not supporting either side, and with all the problems this nation has, that lack of support becomes magnified by a factor of 100."
Nonsense, you've done nothing but make excuses for Vlad the Invader's outrageous, illegal invasions -- if that's not "love", it's close enough for government work.
As for Zelenskyy, he had nothing to do with events in 2014, but he has courageously led his country's defense against Vlad's Invasions.
So Zelenskyy deserves our support, as do all Ukrainians, against Russian invaders.
As for our domestic problems, I agree those are as severe as any I've seen in my now long lifetime.
Indeed, arguably, our weakness demonstrated in Afghanistan provoked Vlad the Invader to believe that now is his time to do his dirty deeds in Ukraine.
That makes us indirectly responsible for Ukraine's suffering, and therefore we have some responsibility to help them defeat Vlad the Invader.
Though that is not the main reason why we should help Ukraine, the main reason is because success in Ukraine will encourage Vlad and other aggressors to do it again, and again.
None of our domestic problems are caused by the war in Ukraine, nor are they made worse by our support for Ukraine.
And the monies involved are a pittance compared to the multiple $trillions in wasteful Democrat spending.
When those are brought under control (or eliminated) the result will be plenty of money available for bare necessities like national defense and debt reductions.
Robert DeLong: "Wish I could say it has been a pleasure talking to you, but that would be a lie, and I will not start lying to you now.
Hope the best for you, and I will pray that you grow up, and start living in, or at least seeing, reality."
You are a dedicated propagandist for Vlad the Invader, I don't know how that happened, but you need to fix it because it's a sickness which will rot your brain in other aspects too.