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Should we invade Finland and Sweden before they join NATO?
YouTube ^ | 3/8/2023 | 1420 by Daniil Orain

Posted on 03/10/2023 12:02:04 AM PST by Paul R.

I see that 1420’s videos are reposted on Reddit, and those reposts contain cut versions with only negative responses from interviewees. Nobody reposts positive responses because apparently nobody is interested in it! Negative videos usually “sell better” just like the news; while this video has less aggressive people than in the previous videos, my gut feeling tells me, this video will reach less people! Hence, less people will see that there are some sane people. People only need to see babushkas who’re willing to **** everyone, including babies.

This comment is a reminder to not use “Russians” with any following adjective in a sentence. For example, “Russians are bad”, “Russians are cool” and so on. Just like with any other nationality, it’s too many people to put them in one box.

"But Ukrainian children are dying and women are being raped, how can you say that Russians are not bad??!!” — for those of you who’re willing to write this, I’d recommend to calm down, turn off the computer and go to park for a walk ❤


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: finland; invade; russia; sweden
This vid has become very popular, quickly, on YouTube. The poster complains because he(?) says slanted / cut versions have been posted on Reddit. The responses to the "interviewer" are quite varied -- rather like what I'd expect of unfiltered responses -- although I suppose the poster might just be cleverly editing.

IF the responses are representative, then there is an interesting demographic(?) trend in Russia...

I'll just say, hopefully the young really are the future, for Russia.

1 posted on 03/10/2023 12:02:04 AM PST by Paul R.
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To: Paul R.
The difference in responses in age is interesting, not necessarily representative since its a small sample. Speaking out in Russia is risky because criticizing the invasion or military is illegal.

There is some nostalgia for the CCCP among the older people interviewed. Those who have more to lose are less supportive of the invasion or any conflict with NATO.

2 posted on 03/10/2023 1:33:56 AM PST by Widget Jr ( 🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0 )
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To: Paul R.

Young people tend to be poorly informed and idealistic everywhere.


3 posted on 03/10/2023 1:41:48 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

I felt sorry for those young ppl. So willing to give up Russian sovereignty while they reach across the aisle. The West is chomping at the bit to get their hands on Russia and it’s riches, and these dumbass kids act like it’s a game.


4 posted on 03/10/2023 2:56:57 AM PST by Prince of Space (Let’s Go, Brandon! )
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To: Prince of Space

Let’s face facts - the eleven time zone kleptocracy that is the Russian Federation has failed utterly to invest in anything other than armament and invasion of its neighbors in the last 2 decades.

If Putin had followed China by massively expanding its own exploitation of its own assets instead of robbing the country blind and leaving most of the RF in a state barely more developed than a war ravaged third world armpit, it’d be outperforming the West on innovation, science, construction, mineral wealth, technology AND conservative principles.

All of Eastern Europe including Ukraine would’ve flipped the bird to the EU’s liberal nonsense and signed up to closer ties with Russia and China.

Heck, I’d have considered emigrating to Russia if that had been the path Putin trod. Khordokovsky is the only guy in Russia who demonstrated thru his own actions and using his own money (inasmuch as he was a kleptocrat oligarch before seeing the light!) that it was doable. Putin didn’t like the challenge.

So it wasn’t adopted. There are three cities in Russia that are on the right side of the 1960s in terms of economic development but the rest of the country is even more behind the times than the most underdeveloped parts of Africa.

Those kids aren’t saying Russia needs to give up sovereignty; what they’re saying is Russia is an armpit BECAUSE it isn’t making good use of its sovereignty.

And they’re absolutely right. Russia can’t invade its way to greatness. Perhaps Putin should read his Aesop, or that Dale Carnegie book.

American cultural hegemony didn’t happen because of militarism, it’s there because the whole world and its dog saw the USA prospering and having fast food, muscle cars, great TV, awesome movies, eclectic styles of music, new traditions (like Trick or Treat) alongside old ones.

Russia doesn’t understand that SOFT POWER is how the USA ended up so powerful. If the USA had developed like Russia under Putin, with no comprehension of the value of SOFT POWER, the flyover states would be stuck in a 30s timewarp, Utah would be run as a world class polygamy cult, and both Canada and Mexico would be readying themselves for an inevitable hostile takeover.


5 posted on 03/10/2023 3:44:12 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: Paul R.

6 posted on 03/10/2023 3:44:51 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Socialism should more accurately be called Sociopathism)
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To: Prince of Space

Chomping at the bit to get Russias riches?

Nope. Everyone hoped they could ignore the place forever.
Natural resources are common, and the main impediment to getting anything anyone wants are government regulations.

Energy is super-abundant. Nobody needs to be drilling in Siberian tundra for it.


7 posted on 03/10/2023 3:47:55 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: MalPearce

It takes some fairly broad reading, but one gets to a point of realising that the US had enormous “soft power” long before it was a world power.

And at one time Russia too had rapidly growing “soft power”, before 1914. It never got it back.


8 posted on 03/10/2023 3:53:36 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Prince of Space
I felt sorry for those young ppl

let's be honest, you don't give a damn about Russia's young people, Russian Princess

you support a murderous invasion where your midget wanna-be Tsar is coldly throwing them by the thousands against the guns, to be wiped out

if you really cared, you would speak out against this war, which is destroying a whole generation of young men

like hell you care about them ... you only care about supporting your warmonger's blood and conquest


9 posted on 03/10/2023 4:11:17 AM PST by canuck_conservative (if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors, we wouldn't need NATO anymore)
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To: buwaya

Yep. Russkyi Mir is Putin’s answer but there’s no positive vision in it. If America copied Russkyi Mir principles it’d be actively promoting cultural erasure and telling the African dictators that they’ll be better off if they cede power to the State Department, CIA, PMCs...

I laugh every time someone complains about all that and then points to the Kremlin as if it’s pitching an alternative that’s even remotely compatible with freedom and and the American Dream.

Putin’s Russia is the poster boy for a country where Deep State totalitarianism not only controls everything including almost all press and TV narratives at home, but is merrily selling totalitarian franchises to tinpot dictators around the developing world. The only way to be successful in Russia is to pay your tithes to Putin, bend the knee, and buy totally into whatever he is selling. Even that doesn’t protect you from a short flight out of a 7th storey window if the siloviki thinks you’re getting too uppity.

The only nasty thing that the American Deep State does, that Russkyi Mir doesn’t do on a vastly larger scale with bells on and a massive cherry on top, is promote the LGBTQIA+++ diversity agenda. I’m certainly not in favor of it, but preferring Putin ism over that is like saying you’d rather eat a runny cat turd sandwich riddled with worms than drink a glass of dog pee. It’s hilariously irrational.


10 posted on 03/10/2023 4:17:48 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: Paul R.

Unless the Neocons are able to overthrow the government in Turkey, there is NO WAY that Sweden will be allowed to join NATO, as Sweden is not able to deal with terrorists they harbor.

As to Finland - maybe they can cut a deal with Turkey to go it alone, but they’ll still have to apologize for the way they’ve treated Hungary, so I wouldn’t count them in, either. And no, there won’t be a ‘color revolution’ in Hungary.


11 posted on 03/10/2023 4:24:44 AM PST by BobL
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To: canuck_conservative

You need help. You sound unhinged. And your lectures might have some legitimacy if you were posting from your bunker in the Ukrainian forest. But you’re not, are you? You posting your diatribes from the comfort of your Canadian abode. Talk about a keyboard warrior! 🤣


12 posted on 03/10/2023 3:37:46 PM PST by Prince of Space (Let’s Go, Brandon! )
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To: buwaya

Why did we bomb the Nordstream II pipeline then? Can’t have Russia making money from their natural resources, can we? It’s much better when America runs the world. /s


13 posted on 03/10/2023 3:40:21 PM PST by Prince of Space (Let’s Go, Brandon! )
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To: Prince of Space
Why did we bomb the Nordstream II pipeline then?

"we"?

you're Russian

and unhinged ... let's see your proof that "America did it"


14 posted on 03/10/2023 3:48:28 PM PST by canuck_conservative (if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors, we wouldn't need NATO anymore)
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To: Prince of Space

To remove the German temptation to succumb to Russian pressure. Russia had leverage over Germany. They used it by shutting down gas supplies, from their end, for a while in 2022. Now they don’t.

The US has been against this since the 1960s BTW. It’s been one of the most consistent US strategic policies. Once you are connected by pipelines to a sole source, you are dealing with a monopoly supplier. That monopolist then has a degree of control over you. This was a problem during the Cold War and it remains so today.


15 posted on 03/10/2023 3:59:24 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Prince of Space

And it has been much better when the US ran the world. The Pax Americana has been an unmitigated global good.

Even Russia made gobs of money. It has misused it horribly, but that’s on them.


16 posted on 03/10/2023 4:01:58 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: MalPearce
Those kids aren’t saying Russia needs to give up sovereignty...

Agreed, I went back and listened through twice: I can't even twist anything the youngsters said into "Russia needs to give up its sovereignty.

Russia can’t invade its way to greatness.

Yup. A bigger pile of poo is just a bigger pile of poo.

That said, I still think part of the reason for Russia's invasion of Ukraine is that given the close proximity and cultural ties, and given that young Ukrainians were moving ever more to a Western outlook* and desire to join a generally successful EU (partially to help rid themselves of the abject Russian style corruption)... That was a cancer on Russia's border far worse for Russian elites than Ukrainian NATO membership or a few Nazis running around in Ukraine.

*I've been following Ukrainian bloggers ever since they started appearing online (originally due to Chernobyl and my then interest in nuclear power.) The western lean and increasing desire to join the EU as the better choice was very clear.

17 posted on 03/10/2023 11:29:36 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: canuck_conservative

I have spoken out against this war: It needs to stop. However, it takes two to tango, which is why I was so livid when Boris Johnson flew to Kiev in April to persuade Zelenskyy to refuse to negotiate an end to the war. The last 11 months of death and destruction could have been avoided, and I hold all the globalists and neocons responsible for deliberately supporting it. That includes the clueless keyboard warriors on this site.


18 posted on 03/12/2023 6:00:04 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Let’s Go, Brandon! )
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To: canuck_conservative

I can see you don’t read much. Heard of Seymour Hersh’s expose? We were behind the explosion, which is why Joke Biden said in February that it would not exist going forward. He knew.


19 posted on 03/12/2023 6:02:37 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Let’s Go, Brandon! )
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To: MalPearce

Thanks for the post - you bring a lot of no BS insights and info. That is the sort of discussion FR used to be well-regarded for.

Equally interesting are street interviews with Ukrainians, which relate to a question you asked in a more recent post of yours on another thread. I’ll consider my reply, over supper*, and get back to you there.

*If you don’t like my “take”, I can always claim indigestion! ;-)


20 posted on 03/16/2023 5:08:13 PM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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