Posted on 03/05/2023 5:12:24 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
One of the founders of what would become the Green Party of England and Wales has declared "it's too late" to save the environment.
Michael Benfield, who helped set up the new political movement in the 1970s, said he believed the "battle for the world's environmental survival" was "at this moment, lost".
"I think we have succeeded in helping to educate... but we have failed in dealing with the battle for environmental survival.
The scale of the solutions which he believed were necessary would be simply too unpalatable for any political party to propose, he argues.
The focus now, he thought, would have to be on mitigation.
"It doesn't mean to say that we can't perhaps do other things to put things right, but it's a very dire situation that we have," Mr Benfield said.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
If we’re doomed, I say party on.
Our work here is done!
Good. If it’s too late we can stop talking about and stop wasting money on the climate hoax.
Drill, baby, drill! My V-8 needs Go Juice.
The Environment Extortionists are saying this because they know their sham has been exposed and the money isn’t flowing in anymore!
Uh, you really think electricity will get cheaper, after ALL costs are considered, going green?
That would require an enormous breakthrough in storage technology. Yeah, fabulous new batteries with wonderful reliability are just around the corner — for the last few decades. I’ll just say I’m “from Missouri” and will believe it when large scale production has proven itself for a few years.
Then the cost of the grid rebuild has to be included too. Heck, we haven’t even made much progress in hardening it against the next Carrington Event.
I may be a bit prejudiced too, because I believe in not putting all my eggs in one basket. Several years back we had a massive ice storm. My family was luckier than most, as we only had two extended periods without any power, and numerous shorter periods. (Feeds from two different lines on our property, and I have a couple long heavy extension cords.) But, just up the road from us, people were running generators 3 weeks later. I had a 5000w generator that really got a workout. But no way could it have additionally handled charging an EV.
Anyway, once the roads were marginally safe, whenever we got down to ~10 gallons of gasoline, I’d make a run to town to get more gas. The gas station had a generator to run the pumps, inside lights, registers, etc. The supply of gas to the station was via trucks running on diesel.
If our entire energy infrastructure had been electric, we’d have been in deep trouble. Perhaps we could have escaped in an EV on the 3rd or 4th day, but we’d have lost most of the plumbing in the house, the well, and most of our animals. That gasoline / diesel infrastructure was our lifeline.
Well good FTS. Drill baby drill or lock and load.
>> Uh, you really think electricity will get cheaper, after ALL costs are considered, going green? <<
Yes. I understand when you say, “Yeah, fabulous new batteries with wonderful reliability are just around the corner — for the last few decades.” That’s why I start with “50 years of lies about the feasibility of solar power make this hard to believe.”
Good. Let’s quit worrying about it and get on with life.
EV’s are BS, like your post.
I never knew you were environmentally-ill.
The Nazis wrote the book on it.
>> The use of coal is growing rapidly in countries that are not suicidal.<<
Coal use is flat globally for ten years. Even in China, its up only slightly in the last years, while China’s energy use has more than doubled.
>> Electric vehicles are much heavier and thus require more power than an ICE vehicle. <<
Marginally heavier, but fantastically more efficient. ICEs use only about 20% of the fuel they burn.
>> Oil and coal extraction are less energy intensive and cleaner than lithium. <<
A lithium battery does not CONSUME lithium. At present, it’s so cheap that it rarely recycled. At higher costs, it will be recycled.
>> CO2 is not a pollutant. <<
True, at least not in the sense that it causes poisoning.
>> Electricity is far more expensive than oil and gas. << Bizarrely untrue.
>> A warming climate may be a good thing for humanity <<
May be a good thing for life in general, and relatively harmless for humans who want to move away from their current homes to live in Siberia or the Canadian Shield.
>> Government intervention in energy policy will cause much more suffering than the imagined problem being pushed by the Global Communist movement. <<
Absolutely true, making me wonder if you actually even read my post.
Oil and coal extraction are less energy intensive and cleaner than lithium. CO2 is not a pollutant. Electricity is far more expensive than oil and gas. A warming climate may be a good thing for humanity and rising CO2 levels are greening the Planet. Government intervention in energy policy will cause much more suffering than the imagined problem being pushed by the Global Communist movement. <<
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