Posted on 03/01/2023 2:34:04 PM PST by dynachrome
A bird flu strain that claimed the life of a schoolgirl in Cambodia has evolved to better infect human cells, in a worrying sign.
Scientists on the ground who made the discovery said the finding 'needs to be treated with the utmost concern'.
They added that there were 'some indications' the virus had already 'gone through' a human and picked up the new mutations before infecting the girl.
The 11-year-old girl, from Prey Veng province, last week became the first victim of H5N1 in 2023. Her father has also tested positive for the virus but has not developed symptoms.
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I agree, until the PLA debut the ebola nut they have injected behind their chimera COVID shell.
With 105,305,521 infections of COVID, 4.8 million hospitalizations and 1,145,818 deaths in the U.S.A., don’t minimize the potential harm of the Bird Flu. In my world, the administration of vaccines reduced the infections and deaths. Without vaccination the U.S. would have experienced 1.5 times more infections, 3.8 times more hospitalizations, and 4.1 times more deaths.
3.8 X 4.8 million hospitalizations = 15.58 million hospitalizations
4.1 X 1,145,818 deaths = 4,697,853.8 deaths or 4.7 million deaths.
With 15.58 million hospitalizations and 4.7 million deaths, that’s quite a medical and funeral bill. I am sure you would not want to pay your share. With that in mind, I bleat, after seeing what the Covid epidemic did, fool me once. And given that knowledge, I will bleat “Don’t fool me twice by being apathetic!”
At worst, we may have no eggs at any cost and no chicken in our pots!
Those working in chicken processing plants can get infected. If it is impossible to protect them, the processing plants get closed. No chicken dinner.
How else to you protect those from infection?
This is only H5N1.
Ping me when we get to influenza type A subtype H1N1. That’s the Spanish Flu, that killed over 20 million and was famous for “Go to bed healthy, wake up dead.”
The pathway you write about is the pathogen becomes less deadly so it doesn’t kill the host and stop the pathway to infection of another host. There no guarantee that the succeeding host has the same level of immunity and dies. How many of such vulnerable people who die will be too much? It reminds me of people willing to throw people off the boat because of a leak. It’s better to fix the leak.
By stopping the funding of it?
FU.gov
You missed it.
Go hide under your bed hypochondriac. The world has gone crazy and some of the worst nutjobs ruining the world are hypochondriac.
How long will it take to make a killer vaccine? 😆
Obama defunded hyperviralization in the US in 2014 as too dangerous. No one is talking about this. Wait til Whoopi finds out we had to fund it in China because of this.
The retired CDC scientist who posted here as Mother Abigail used to closely follow hybrid flu threads. It was her opinion that we are due for a near extinction event with a hybrid flu being the cause.
“Bird Flu has been mutated via gain of function to now infect humans.”
There that is closer to the truth
Crosses of human flu and zoonotic flus are among the most dangerous. 1918. 1957. 1968. Normal flu mostly kills those with weakened immunity. Hybrid flu will kill adults in peak health, probably by cytokine storm.
“I have read of a 53% human fatality rate, but that rate may because of the low sample.”
Or due to lack of immunity, like with most novel viruses. But we do have some innate immunity to almost any strain of influenza, simply because the entire world has been exposed to various kinds of it for centuries now. So it’s not a completely new virus that our immune system is unprepared for, as smallpox was when it struck the Americas. In that case, there may have been a 90+% fatality rate.
“or have been culled”
That’s the key part of the statement you should stop and think about. We don’t cull wild animal populations, because that’s basically impossible. We only cull domesticated animals. So what they are talking about is farmers who kill their entire current stock of chickens and other poultry when they are infected and no vaccine or treatment is available. That is not a statement that is informative at all as to the deadliness of the disease. It’s just standard procedure for any infectious disease in livestock that we can’t control by any other means. We have no idea (just from that statement) how many of those birds would have died of the bird flu if the infections had just run their course, because the whole statistic is tainted by including the numbers culled as a precautionary measure.
“Will the poultry that we depend upon develop immunity?”
Probably not if we keep culling them, because that is interrupting the natural process of acquiring immunity. But it’s a standard practice so we will keep doing it and just hope to develop a vaccine.
Only vaccines can save us!!!
“There no guarantee that the succeeding host has the same level of immunity and dies. How many of such vulnerable people who die will be too much?”
I’d say that you are phrasing the question wrong. The real question is “how many people will die before we develop enough general immunity to resist it, or until the virus mutates to a less deadly form”. And the answer is: “God knows and nobody else does”.
“It reminds me of people willing to throw people off the boat because of a leak. It’s better to fix the leak.”
That’s a bad analogy. When a boat is leaking and we have the means to fix it, we don’t throw anyone off. When a boat is leaking and we don’t have the means to fix it, well, then fixing it is not an option. There’s no situation where both of those are true and we just make a decision to sacrifice people for no reason.
And we don’t do that with viruses either. The idea that people who don’t take some new vaccine are “sacrificing people” is just plain wrong. It’s not as if most new vaccines we develop work. Most of them do not work at all. Hence the need for all that “culling” of livestock despite the fact that we develop novel vaccines constantly for animal diseases without the hassles associated with human medicines, and despite the fact that not a single piece of livestock ever refuses to taking a vaccine. And this is doubly true for influenza vaccines, which we have been attempting to develop for decades with very limited success.
I should have phrased my words to read like this:
“There no guarantee that the succeeding host has the same level of immunity and resists dying. How many of such vulnerable people who die will be too much?”
My boat analogy stands. We should try to fix the leak as the first priority. Not watch the boat sink while saying fixes don’t work. George Washington learned from his infection with Smallpox that it was important to ‘fix the leak.’ He learned of a fix and inoculated his troops. That saved the Continental Army from defeat by the British and won our independence. Even though the Bird Flu is an form of influenza, I am sure scientist will be able to target the nucleic acid chain that does not change—some part of the viral structure that’s shared between all. If they can successfully target an immune response against that common structure, then they could design a single vaccine that would offer protection against every strain that mutates.
Then there are efforts to find treatments that cure the infection, which may be the same thing as a vaccine. I say never say never.
I once saw a program that talked about where the flu comes
from each year. In that program they attributed it to wild
birds in China. (ducks or geese)
So isn’t this the same thing?
Why should this be so bad, when this has been happening every
year for decades?
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