Posted on 02/21/2023 9:33:38 PM PST by fwdude
From the beginning, it is God’s hierarchy and design that man is dominant and over women. Woman -from man.
Anyone that declares or endeavors to make a case otherwise is only setting themselves against the Lord and is playing a part in the social and spiritual disorder of this day.
Gen 3:17a
“To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you...”
Paul was an ultra orthodox Jew, fervent to preserve the faith. To suggest he was in favor of women in church leadership and teaching roles over men is preposterous.
Wonderful to see that orthopraxy still exists outside of Orthodoxy!
Agreed.
Orthopraxy can still be found on the other side of the Tiber, you just have to look for it. Contrary to popular belief, not everything Francis orders, attempts to order, appears to order, or toletates being ordered is wrong, even though he looks like he would be comfortable swimming the Thames.
The faithful, as always, if they seek the grace, will be given the grace to find their path inspite of the hierarchy. I think that he is encouraging Orthopraxy in his own Caiaphasian way. The percentage of young women wearing the mantilla is way up as is the percentage of men considering the SSPX in the circles I teach in. Who am I to judge?
Amen.
To suggest otherwise is an exercise in the pleasing of men, and a rejection of the Lord’s clear order.
They aren’t complex, they are written clearly. And that era provides no example of a female leading a congregation.
It’s only complex to scholars... you know, the way the Constitution is complex to lawyers.
Women aren’t to be pastors but they can teach and edify of course.
Example Acts 18
24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
And they shouldn’t chatter in church.
Good.
Apparently it’s about Rick Warren.
I didn’t know the SBC does not allow women ministers. How did I not know this?
I found it instructive that Jesus chose all male Apostles and even the 144 he sent out to herald His ministry were all male. Is His example not enough for us to follow?
Five hundred years of splitting and splitting and splitting. Hmmm, not working out so well.
I’m a Catholic woman and I agree with you 100 percent! We don’t have female priests (yet) but we have women giving out communion, leading the singing (picture an old woman who can barely sing screeching out a song) and doing bible readings. It all feels wrong. Where are the men!!!!
HOORAY!! Our pastor has been seriously considering taking the church out of the SBC for the Saddleback issue. Now he doesn’t have to waste his time.
“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.”
1 Corinthians 14:34 King James Version
“Where are the men!!!!”
The feminist movement was the beginning of the end for manly men, pretty much.
I am a super confident political activist. I love public speaking. I am outspoken on many issues. I am a woman. I would never attend a church with a woman as a pastor. People will argue with me when I express this. I tell them don’t argue with me, go argue with God!
Seems to be a pattern with some men of God who get fame and stature over time. Solomon comes to mind. They start to think that they can play around with the rules God has set down because well “they can”. Warren screwed the pooch and has stained his years of otherwise good stewardship. The Day of Resurrection will be the day everything is rebalanced, until then the churches need to stay within the limits Christ and the Apostles thru the Spirit has set for them in terms of leadership of the churches.
I have found that women can be great teachers of the Word, as that gift of the Holy Spirit can be given to male or female for God’s glory. But I would never attend a church with a woman pastor, either. Not scriptural and the ones I have seen are mostly in liberal (i.e. carnal and watered-down) churches.
The slanted article seems to show the SBC doing this sort of thing in a vacuum. I suspect it has received letters from pastors with views similar to your pastor’s views. Lose one church(albeit a big one) or loose dozens or even hundreds and split the SBC, I’m sure that is what the SBC leadership had to consider.
“The slanted article seems to show the SBC doing this sort of thing in a vacuum.”
I don’t know for sure. Although we attend an SBC church now because the preaching is the best we’ve found here, we don’t typically “do” SBC. Our pastor said he went to Nashville meeting where Saddleback was the main topic of discussion, and the attendees were NOT happy about it. I guess TPTB there got the message.
Yeah, can’t disagree
Which book was that? “The Purpose Driven Life”?
I’ve always been looking for a counter...something like “The Christ Yoked Life” “Where being meek and lowly isn’t the burden those “driven with purpose” pretend that they are!”
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