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More Airports to Use Greener ‘Glide’ Approach to Landing -"(by having incoming planes turn off their engines"
https://www.scientificamerican.com ^ | February 1, 2023 | By Minho Kim, E&E News on

Posted on 02/02/2023 4:00:43 AM PST by RomanSoldier19

Eleven more U.S. airports plan to adopt a new way of landing planes that reduces both emissions and noise — all by having incoming planes turn off their engines and glide down to the tarmac like a paraglider.

The Federal Aviation Administration announced Monday that planes heading to Orlando, Fla.; Kansas City, Mo.; Omaha, Neb.; Nebraska's Offutt Air Force Base; Reno, Nev.; and six airports in South Florida soon would make idle descents to runways. It's a method called “Optimized Profile Descent,” and more than 60 U.S. airports already have it in place.

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To: UNGN

It is amazing this article got through editing.

There is a big difference between “idle” and “off” which they use synonymously. Likewise with descent and landing. Idle descents are common, idle landings (meaning significantly greater than a three degree glide slope) are not.


21 posted on 02/02/2023 4:32:11 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: RomanSoldier19

As a former hobbyist private pilot, one question, rhetorical: “What could possibly go wrong?”


22 posted on 02/02/2023 4:36:20 AM PST by LouAvul (Daniel 4:17: "..the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.." )
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To: UNGN

“Nobody will be shutting their engines off while landing.”

The article says they’ll idle the engines, not shut them off. I’m not a pilot. Can the engines be sped up quickly if they are idling? Seems like the thrust reversers remain necessary.

Yes, Scientific American, like National Geographic, ain’t what it used to be.


23 posted on 02/02/2023 4:40:57 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: OHPatriot

What if they encounter turbulance or over shoot and have to do a go around?


24 posted on 02/02/2023 4:41:23 AM PST by WeaslesRippedMyFlesh (wake me up when somebody tells the truth)
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To: UNGN

Scientific American is neither.


25 posted on 02/02/2023 4:44:37 AM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: RomanSoldier19

Watch for The Big Guy to order the Navy to use “glide approaches” on carriers.


26 posted on 02/02/2023 4:45:59 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (No Doubt Now: Stolen Election)
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To: RomanSoldier19

This is the type of approach almost all airports used 60 years ago, until suburbs grew up around airports that used to be in the boonies.

With this lower, flatter approach the airplanes fly lower over more houses, disturbing more people.

The current method is to fly a steeper approach, thereby keeping the airplane higher from housing for as long as possible, but requires a bit more fuel to keep level longer.


27 posted on 02/02/2023 4:46:05 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: RomanSoldier19

IDLE doesn’t mean the engines are off.

Given this article seems to think it is, I question every conclusion being made from it.


28 posted on 02/02/2023 4:48:33 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: RomanSoldier19

So what happens when a plane lands and needs to stop???? Does the pilot quickly turn them back on and put engines into reverse thrust?


29 posted on 02/02/2023 4:48:56 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: RomanSoldier19

Just imagine the ultimate ‘green’ vacation, where you physically do not go anywhere, but are convinced, like Guided Meditation and Hypnotism, that you really traveled. You and your fellow ‘travelers’ board a plane, but instead of a pilot, a facilitator guides you through your experience.

Facilitator - “okay, everyone settle down, your trip is about to begin. Please slow your breathing and...
Concentrate… see yourself arriving at your destination. You idle at the airport gate,. Family and friends are there to greet you. Now you are in your Uber, touring the city and country side. A few more long, relaxed breaths,, Now you are packing for the trip and the flight home..

Now you have boarded your plane and found your seat.

Now you are sitting next to the liberal, leftist creepozoid who is offended by all your Maga gear (hat, shirt, hoody, you wear it all)..

Now you hear the other passengers clap and cheer as they remove the leftist creepozoid. Now, you are back home and can tell everyone about your fantastic, imagined vacation.


30 posted on 02/02/2023 4:50:40 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try)
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To: ronnie raygun

I don’t worry about it.

I haven’t been on a plane in twenty years and I don’t plan on changing that any time soon.


31 posted on 02/02/2023 4:51:59 AM PST by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Airliners are the most energy efficient mode of people transport ever invented. The biggest energy inefficiencies are actually at the government run airports. For many flights, the indirect CO2 emissions of the airport staff and facilities exceed that of the actual flight. Focus on that.


32 posted on 02/02/2023 4:52:07 AM PST by Reeses
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To: mewzilla

“DELTA HEAVY 154-NINER, GO AROUND, REPEAT- GO AROUND”
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33 posted on 02/02/2023 4:52:24 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: Tupelo
>>down to the tarmac like a paraglider

Q: When is a jet airline not like a paraglider?

A: All the time.

34 posted on 02/02/2023 4:57:00 AM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: Shady

It’s the “reporting” that is idiotic.


35 posted on 02/02/2023 5:00:50 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (Once you get people to believe that a plural pronoun is singular, they'll believe anything - nicollo)
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To: RomanSoldier19
This article is full of misinformation which is not surprising for Unscientific Un-American.

No one is going to shut engines off while landing.

Throttling engines back and "gliding" to "be greener" isn't going to happen either since the amount of throttle needed is dependent on the altitude of the runway and thus the altitude of the plane that's landing. The higher the altitude, the more power needed just to maintain lift and control.

36 posted on 02/02/2023 5:03:54 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: OHPatriot

The real title to the article, not the one shown here, does NOT include the parenthetic about “turning off” the engine. The article describes “bringing the engine down to idle”. There is a HUGE difference. A dead stick landing has the engine totally off for the whole landing. At idle, the engine still provides hydraulics, generator power, and more, and can be throttled up quickly when needed.


37 posted on 02/02/2023 5:04:04 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Once you predict children will no longer see snow, you can’t now claim snow proves you are right)
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To: wastedyears

Re #5, the first plane that crashes and takes out a major downtown city will change this idea.


38 posted on 02/02/2023 5:10:03 AM PST by DownInFlames (P)
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To: ronnie raygun

...they are thrust reversers, not engine reversers...you can’t “reverse” a jet engine....


39 posted on 02/02/2023 5:10:20 AM PST by TokarevM57 (u)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III
Just imagine the ultimate ‘green’ vacation, where you physically do not go anywhere, but are convinced, like Guided Meditation and Hypnotism, that you really traveled. You and your fellow ‘travelers’ board a plane, but instead of a pilot, a facilitator guides you through your experience.

Last words..."Get your a$$ to Mars"

40 posted on 02/02/2023 5:13:13 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump WON!!! He will win 2024!)
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